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From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: The problem with not owning the software
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:05:42 -0000 (UTC)
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 08:52:43 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
> 
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:32:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>.
>>>> 
>>>> Not user-friendly enough.
>>> 
>>> If by “user-friendly” you mean “aimed at those accustomed to Microsoft
>>> mediocrity”, then you’d be right.
>> 
>> I mean if presented to someone for the first time do they have a
>> fighting chance of creating *anything*. With jupyter that's a big fat
>> nope.
> 
> Which is why it’s so good you can use existing notebooks as a starting 
> point. A notebook is not just something to look at, it’s something you can 
> interact with.

Which is where the problems start. A novice will edit something, fuck up
the notebook, and have no idea how to fix it. 

> Here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i40d8-Hu4vM> is an example of what 
> can be done with Jupyter, for use by totally non-techy, quality-demanding, 
> paying-customer types.

I have no doubt that jupyter is awesome. In the right hands. Not for excel
jockeys.