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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2025 20:32:45 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Message-ID: <vlcnfu$n5nl$1@dont-email.me> References: <vl1ff6$2c41l$1@dont-email.me> <ltngcqFous6U1@mid.individual.net> <rhcdnj1ug8gi5g0vtb48fci7k8pu5rble7@4ax.com> <vl8dl0$3rtkg$1@dont-email.me> <2lmgnjhhe7k3p73rcku6vkb41fgm8fkp2d@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2025 02:32:47 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c4d955ccfc54b889a91c4562c5472a23"; logging-data="759541"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18+yRQ8f6OEQe4E7HT7zdYeskl1P4WEPUc=" User-Agent: Ratcatcher/2.0.0.25 (Windows/20130802) Cancel-Lock: sha1:EN6L4DLgNpCm2fi270rKFF94dFA= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <2lmgnjhhe7k3p73rcku6vkb41fgm8fkp2d@4ax.com> Bytes: 3533 On Fri, 1/3/2025 4:48 PM, Joel wrote: > Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >> On Thu, 1/2/2025 10:37 AM, Joel wrote: >>> "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 19:08:22 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.advocacy >>>> >>>> OS WAR! <G> >>> >>> I frequently talk to Copilot in a Linux Web app about how sleek Linux >>> is compared to Winblows, and it agrees with me. M$ is laughing at the >>> people using their products on aging hardware. >> >> Exciting I guess. >> >> Session Log: >> >> <Joel> Is it snowing where you are ? >> <AI> Where am I ? I tried to look at my feet, but I don't have any. >> <Joel> I'm 73 years old. How old are you, anyway ? >> <AI> I'm either 39 or 93, let me check my coin flipper... >> <Joel> So how about that Linux, good or what ? >> <AI> Of course, Linux is a toilet paper, which does not scratch your bum [Ref.1] >> [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/bnkct/forget_the_flakes_cola_and_wine_meet_the_linux/ >> <Joel> Yes, it's very sleek. > > > That is not remotely like what Copilot and I discuss. > AI do not have human characteristics at the moment. They don't have ID, ego, or super-ego. If you tell them "up is down", they will agree with you. They have settings similar to NN, such as "temperature" or some annealing property. Beneath all the flowery text, there are plumbers adjusting the heat and water flow rate. I managed to "hang" an AI, and it blew past the safety timer and kept running. Someone at the other end, eventually killed it (removed the query). And it did not die in the "thinking" phase. There seems to be some kind of separate "I/O phase", that generates the text for a text session. And mine got really really slow while attempting to output some characters. About one letter every ten seconds. It's really a mechanical thing, and it's held together with bailing wire and binder twine. Imagine if it was self driving your car, and the I/O section went into a loop and stopped steering the car. That is the message here. Humans can fail that way too for various reasons, they just don't do it as often, and with the same relish for it. Paul