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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: OT: "We're not treating this as a terrorist attack"
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 15:31:08 +1100
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On 6/01/2025 4:35 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 12:04:46 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/2025 11:26 AM, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 11:09:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2025 11:01 AM, john larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Deplorable is is deplorable does, man. What am I supposed to tell people
>>>>>> who think violent crime "is way up" when it's been going down for 50
>>>>>> years and that children are regularly getting sex changes, or whatever
>>>>>> nonsense some significant fraction of citizens choose to believe today.
>>>>>> "Yeah, you're right?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of very well-to-do people seem to believe the same nonsense, so
>>>>>> it's not really a class-thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> You invent people as targets for your need for contempt. You would
>>>>> have been an ardent Nazi in the 1930's Germany. Tribal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'Fraid people who believe nonsense of the type I mentioned are not at
>>>> all "invented", if you don't personally know any or have never met any
>>>> maybe it's cuz you live in one of the most leftist places on Earth? ???
>>>
>>> Humans are incredibly diverse.  You blame and mock (and imagine)
>>> people who have different opinions than yours.
>>
>> It's not about opinions like, what ice cream flavor is best or whether
>> it's better to like golf or basketball. Trump built a political empire
>> peddling fear of marginalized people and I think it's a particular
>> tactic worth mocking, yes. Pretty disingenuous to shift the goalpoasts
>> to some broad fashion of intolerance that's not the real issue, you know
>> what this is about..
>>
>>> I think this intolerant diversity is evolved, naturally selected, as a
>>> tribal survival mechanism. Probably your intolerance is genetic,
>>> inherited; you can't help yourself.
>>>
>>> This tribal tendency for intolerance is why we have wars.
>>
>> Perhaps your tendency to like flattery is inherited, you can't help
>> yourself.
> 
> You are copying me and cloning Sloman.  Neither is difficult nor
> original.

Being rude about your appetite for flattery is entirely unoriginal. John 
Fields noticed it early on. It's difficult to miss. This isn't an 
argument for not mentioning it from time to time.

> I dislike flattery; I find it embarassing. My employees know that I
> don't like a bunch of public praise, as many CEOs get.
> 
>> Sounds kind of like you're blaming me for the existence of war
>> which could be considered flattering in a certain light but I'll have to
>> demure on that one. I don't think I have such power, my dastardly
>> leftist genes or whatever aren't up to the task.
> 
> I'm blaming tribalism, and intolerance is a big part of tribalism. As
> is racism. And professional sports. And music.
> 
> 
>>> You are emotionally driven to believe that you are always right. That
>>> attitude, emotionally selective blindness and hostility to ideas, is
>>> toxic to electronic design. I guess that's why so few people are good
>>> at it.
>>>
>>
>> That's true, I even miss Jim Thompson from time to time. He was better
>> at it than you
> 
> He was creative but digital-phobic, which is another irrational
> intolerance. Code is a great way to do advanced signal processing
> cheap. But Jim and I did different things so it's hard to compare.
> 
> People are different.
> 
> But you can't know much about what I design, because I don't post the
> best stuff.

And nobody else make as fuss about it either. It doesn't seem to be all 
that good - good enough to sell to people who want bespoke electronic 
design that conforms to their daffy prejudices. When I got stuck with 
doing that kind of work at Nijmegen University, most of my time was 
devoted to persuading people that they buy something quite good enough 
off the shelf. There were some exceptions, but not all that many.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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