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Am 06.01.2025 um 19:10 schrieb Mild Shock:

Wenn Du glaubst, dass irgendjemand Deine unzähligen Postings liest, dann 
muss ich Dir leider mitteilen ... dass das stimmt. :-)

> The ontology by John Sowa has an easter egg.
> Champagne is both sparkling and alcoholic. But
> ChatGPT disagrees with John Sowa, since the ontology
> of ChatGPT is slightly differently organized. There
> is no individual sparkling category, there is a
> subcategory among non-alcoholic
> 
> which is sparkling, so it doesn’t want
> Champagn belong to it:
> 
> Q: Is champagne a soft drink?
> 
> A: No, champagne is not a soft drink. It is a type
> of sparkling wine made from specific grape varieties
> and produced using a traditional method (méthode champenoise)
> in the Champagne region of France. Champagne is an
> alcoholic beverage, while soft drinks are non-alcoholic
> beverages, typically carbonated and often sweetened,
> like sodas or colas.
> 
> The John Sowa example ontology is said to have been
> data mined, since he writes: “The formal concept analysis
> (FCA) techniques belong to the general class of data mining
> procedures, which find patterns in a relational database.”
> 
> It seems ChatGPT uses other data sources and/or data
> mining techniques to get their ontologies.
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least John Sowa is not panicing when
>> he bashes LLM. Here is another video by him,
>> where he pulls all registers:
>>
>> Without Ontology LLMs are Clueless by JohnSowa
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7wZbbISdyA
>>
>> One could adopt his stance, including spreading
>> rumors that are not completely true for LLMs, since
>> LLMs do also represent ontologies.
>>
>> Just make a test, take any of John Sowas drawings:
>>
>> https://www.jfsowa.com/ontology/
>>
>> Now ask ChatGPT:
>>
>> Q: give me an overview of the beverages
>> that humans consume
>>
>> A: Humans consume a wide variety of beverages,
>> broadly categorized based on their preparation,
>> ingredients, and purpose. Here’s an overview:
>>
>> 1. Water
>> [...]
>> 2. Non-Alcoholic Beverages
>> a. Hot Beverages
>> [...]
>> b. Cold Beverages
>> [...]
>> 3. Alcoholic Beverages
>> [...]
>> 4. Functional Beverages
>> [...]
>> 5. Cultural and Specialty Beverages
>> [...]
>> 6. Specialty and Regional Drinks
>> [...]
>>
>> These beverages serve various roles, from hydration
>> and nutrition to cultural traditions, relaxation,
>> and social interaction.
>>
>> Woa!
>>
>> Bye
>