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From: Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
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Subject: Re: S-VHS cassette recorders
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2025 22:20:39 +0100
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On 1/6/25 21:00, Don Y wrote:
> On 1/6/2025 9:59 AM, bitrex wrote:
>> On 1/6/2025 6:57 AM, Lasse Langwadt wrote:
>>> On 1/6/25 01:19, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 13:24:22 -0700, Don Y wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2025 12:28 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>>>>> CD players are probably right up there for Rube Goldberg complexity,
>>>>>> people who knew what they're doing probably repaired them regularly
>>>>>> back in the day but I've never had much luck if the unit has a 
>>>>>> serious
>>>>>> fault, and the service manuals I've seen tend to be pretty unhelpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> CD players are relatively trivial, compared to VCRs.  There is NO 
>>>>> "media
>>>>> handling" other than hoping the user installs the medium on the 
>>>>> spindle
>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> By contrast, a VCR has to extract the tape from the cassette (after
>>>>> opening the access door and unlocking the reels) and pull it around 
>>>>> the
>>>>> rotating head assembly.  Then, has to ensure the alignment of the head
>>>>> tracks the magnetic slices laid down on the medium, in real time.
>>>>>
>>>>> As well as having to ensure the *mechanism* is operating at the right
>>>>> "rate of speed" to ensure the video signal complies with that expected
>>>>> downstream.
>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of the parts for vintage CD players are unobtanium now
>>>>>> particularly the laser diode which seems to be a common fault, in 
>>>>>> a few
>>>>>> decades I expect there will be almost none in working condition. like
>>>>>> the Chevy Vega.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you resign yourself to using drives intended for use with computers
>>>>> (even having audio output capability), you can rescue as many as 
>>>>> you can
>>>>> carry!
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see why people miss vinyl sometimes but I can't imagine anyone will
>>>>>> really miss the CD, a real stopgap technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> The CD was a huge step up from vinyl.  No fussing with tracking, 
>>>>> warped
>>>>> media, dust and other contaminants, etc.  Play it the Nth time and 
>>>>> it's
>>>>> just as faithful to the source as the first!
>>>>
>>>> True, but there must be *something* about vinyl that more than 
>>>> compensates
>>>> for its shortcomings, given the fact that prices for old turntables 
>>>> have
>>>> soared and record shops are now stocking vinyl albums again.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Vinyl sales have been higher than CD sale for years and growing 
>>> something like 20% per year while CD sales drop like a rock
> 
> Let's see, 40Million units last year?  Compared to that many PER ALBUM
> in the 80s?
>      <https://bestsellingalbums.org/decade/1980>
> What you're seeing is just people not BUYING music on durable media.
> People stream to their phones, now.  Or, rip onto PMPs.

buying an LP usually comes with a code to download the MP3 these days