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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Colnago C60
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 14:32:16 -0600
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On 1/8/2025 12:08 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> On 1/8/2025 1:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/2025 4:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:02:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To tell another anti-AT&T tale: The first time we went to continental
>>>>>> Europe, we (or rather, my wife) had a flip phone through AT&T. I called
>>>>>> AT&T support to ask whether the phone would function in Europe. The tech
>>>>>> support guy I got told me it absolutely would, no problem at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course when we landed, we found the phone was useful only as a
>>>>>> paperweight. IIRC, the phone wasn't even capable of dealing with the
>>>>>> frequencies that Europe used. And when I took it into a cell phone store
>>>>>> of some kind, asking if something could be done to make it work, the
>>>>>> tech guy there said "We've never even seen a phone like this one!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah well. We got by for six weeks anyway, mostly by using internet cafes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Approximately what year was your visit to Europe?  Which countries?
>>>>> Any clue as to the maker and model number of the flip phone?
>>>>
>>>> That visit was 2007. Poland, Czechia, Austria, Italy and Switzerland.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Europe switched from 2G and 3G to 4G (and now some 5G) protocols,
>>>>> which also included some added bands.  Shutting down the 2G and 3G
>>>>> networks is still work in progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A Complete Overview of 2G & 3G Sunsets"
>>>>> <https://1ot.com/resources/blog/a-complete-overview-of-2g-3g-sunsets>
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess(tm) is your flip phone was 2G or possibly 3G which is why it
>>>>> didn't work on a 4G network.  However, since this was AT&T, it's
>>>>> possible that the SIM chip that AT&T sold you was misprogrammed,
>>>>> incorrectly activated or just plain defective.
>>>>
>>>> If the SIM card were bad in that way, would it work in the U.S.? The
>>>> phone was fine at home.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I thought it was fundamentally a frequency issue, that at the
>>>> time Europe used two bands but U.S. used two other bands.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
>>>
>>> My Nokia phone would worked in NewYork some point after 2001 and would have
>>> been GSM only, likewise it worked in Australia and other countries I
>>> visited.
>>>
>>> America choose unwisely really!
>>>>
>>>> Not that it mattered. It wasn't a curable problem, so we just got by
>>>> without the phone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>
>> Different protocols are often neither good nor bad.  Beta vs
>> VHS for example. Someone wins and someone loses, not always
>> for technical reasons.
>>
> Beta was I believe technically superior but didn’t get the market share,
> considering how behind US phone tech was generally I’d be surprised if GSM
> wasn’t in this case technically better, though both have been switched off
> the networks by now.
> 
> Roger Merriman
> 

I'm not a video consumer but when that was a hotly contested 
market I was in Japan a lot and many people held that view, 
"Beta is superior so WTF with VHS in the US market??"

Or 700D rims/tires. Or rollercam brakes. Etc

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Andrew Muzi
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