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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: RETRO Project Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022 (Was: Honoring Raymond Smullyan) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 00:13:55 +0100 Message-ID: <vln0rj$210cc$1@solani.org> References: <vlkfq7$1vh4j$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 23:13:55 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="2130316"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20 Cancel-Lock: sha1:XTYSzyVcM8rllGnTcBCDgljdvoc= In-Reply-To: <vlkfq7$1vh4j$1@solani.org> X-User-ID: eJwNyMEBwCAIA8CVipBAxzGg+4/Q3vPgNHYGwcDFfSKXaSQUIL1GTx6gOrbN+OxjW6v/nTGTimmitzduRX1QMxWH Bytes: 2961 Lines: 64 Hi, More details on RAG, see here RETRO Project (*) at t=12:01: What's wrong with LLMs and what we should be building instead Tom Dietterich - 10.07.2023 https://youtu.be/cEyHsMzbZBs So its not a very new technique now appearing in generative AIs on the market as well. Some chat bots are even now able to sometimes show more clearly the used source documents in their answer. The MSE end user can still edit a citation by hand to conform more to the SEN format, if this would be the issue. Also the MSE end user can explicitly now ask a chat bot for sources, which he will get most of the time. Or he can give a chat bot a source for review and discussion. This works also. So there is not anymore this "remoteness" of an LLM to the actual virtual world of documents. Its more that they now inhabit the actual virtual world and interact with it. Another issue I see is that in certain countries and educational institutions, it might the case that working with a chat bot is something that the students learn, yet they are not officially allowed to use it on MSE, because MSE policies are based on outdated views about generative AI. See also: (*) RETRO Project: Improving language models by retrieving from trillions of tokens Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022 https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.04426 Bye Mild Shock schrieb: > Hi, > > Now you can listen to Bird songs for a minute: > > 2016 Dana Scott gave a talk honoring Raymond Smullyan > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omz6SbUpFQ8 > > A little quiz: > > Q: And also on the Curry-Howard Isomorphism. Is > there a nice way to put it in bird-forest form like To > Mock a Mocking Bird. This book made everything so > simple and intuitive for me. > > A: Hardly, because xx has no simple type. > > Right? > > Bye