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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 10:30:25 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <vlo4vg$39hik$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <b125beff-cb76-4e5a-b8b8-e4c57ff468e9@att.net> <vkr8j0$t59a$1@dont-email.me> <98519289-0542-40ce-886e-b50b401ef8cf@att.net> <vksicn$16oaq$7@dont-email.me> <8e95dfce-05e7-4d31-b8f0-43bede36dc9b@att.net> <vl1ckt$2b4hr$1@dont-email.me> <53d93728-3442-4198-be92-5c9abe8a0a72@att.net> <vl5tds$39tut$1@dont-email.me> <9c18a839-9ab4-4778-84f2-481c77444254@att.net> <vl87n4$3qnct$1@dont-email.me> <8ef20494f573dc131234363177017bf9d6b647ee@i2pn2.org> <vl95ks$3vk27$2@dont-email.me> <vl9ldf$3796$1@dont-email.me> <vlaskd$cr0l$2@dont-email.me> <vlc68u$k8so$1@dont-email.me> <vldpj7$vlah$7@dont-email.me> <a8b010b748782966268688a38b58fe1a9b4cc087@i2pn2.org> <vlei6e$14nve$1@dont-email.me> <66868399-5c4b-4816-9a0c-369aaa824553@att.net> <vlir7p$24c51$1@dont-email.me> <412770ca-7386-403f-b7c2-61f671d8a667@att.net> <vllg47$2n0uj$3@dont-email.me> <vllm44$2oeeq$1@dont-email.me> <vlm2fv$2qk9u$2@dont-email.me> <d1e9fb6482f30e8a4cde3db97587932cef7cb198@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 10:30:25 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="66e52629124dad02c7713fc8137579e3"; logging-data="3458644"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+94rE9k5J3x0etXP4Xz/K8/slR0WsY6Fg=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:sPs1ACrtX0oHSrbqd0Yvn8/51p4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <d1e9fb6482f30e8a4cde3db97587932cef7cb198@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3101 On 09.01.2025 00:42, joes wrote: > Am Wed, 08 Jan 2025 15:35:44 +0100 schrieb WM: >> A set like ℕ has a fixed number of elements. If ω-1 does not exist, what >> is the fixed border of existence? > It has an infinite number of elements, and that number happens to be > invariant under finite subtraction/addition. That is potential infinity, not actual infinity. Invariability under finite subtraction implies the impossibility to empty the endsegments. That implies the impossibility to extract all elements of contents in order to apply them as indices. That destroys Cantor's approach. His sequences do not exist: "thus we get the epitome (ω) of all real algebraic numbers [...] and with respect to this order we can talk about the nth algebraic number where not a single one of this epitome (ω) has been forgotten." [E. Zermelo: "Georg Cantor – Gesammelte Abhandlungen mathematischen und philosophischen Inhalts", Springer, Berlin (1932) p. 116] Regards, WM