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On 1/8/25 5:45 PM, chrisv wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>> No, Carlos, telling the world that we will all be under water unless we
>>> give lots of money to some cabal of elites is what's propaganda and
>>> complete bullshit.
> 
> Worse yet are the mandates that take away our freedoms.
> 
> Everyone knows that they want to be able to shut off our cars
> remotely, to restrict our travel freedoms, right?  

I was consultant on such a study twenty years ago.  No, its purpose 
wasn't to restrict travel freedoms: it was that police pursuits often 
becoming high speed chases which were dangerous to the public, as they 
often ended in a crash with collateral damage/death to innocent bystanders.

> And control when we run our air conditions, ... 

If you don't want expensive utilities, then accept some conveniences. 
Its a simple principle & trade-off.

> ... and what we eat, and all sorts of other
> things.  Utter tyranny, is the plan.

If you want safe food, expect restrictions on the dangerous stuff.
Its a simple principle & trade-off.


>> Yes.
>> The impact of a putative net zero campaign will massively outweigh a 1
>> °C rise and a sea level rise of four inches.
>>
>> In both cost and environmental destruction


Golly, its interesting to see the goalpost shift here from "it ain't 
happening at all" to now being "oh, but its too expensive to fix".


> I agree.  There is no answer to the problems with mining. 

Depends on what answer one is looking for:  a short term gratification 
of cheap energy, or more holistic perspective of addressing the costs of 
most of its actual externality costs too?  For example, a "clean up the 
mess you've caused" tax to pay for the damage that it is doing (and has 
done) would create the market incentive to reduce its externality costs, 
and shift the market to less bad alternatives...even if the tax money is 
never spent as it should be on actual clean-up.

> There is no
> answer to the problems from being utterly dependant upon communist
> China for everything from minerals to the completed car or solar panel
> or wind turbine or power transformer.

True, the West has allowed short term capitalism to be the priority and 
outweigh strategic positioning, but there has been some leadership to 
allow some rebalancing.  For example, because of policy, domestic 
manufacturing capacity of solar cells has quadrupled since Biden took 
office.

<https://seia.org/news/american-solar-panel-manufacturing-capacity-increases-71-q1-2024-industry-reaches-200-gigawatt/>

<https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/news-research/latest-news/electric-power/102224-us-solar-manufacturing-soars-but-gaps-and-uncertainty-persist>


> The West takes a massive hit, while China laughs and builds a hundred
> coal plants every year.  They are happy to take our money and make
> everything for us, until we are as dependant and as weak as babies.

Yet we keep on buying stuff at WalMart, because we're unwilling to pay 
more for domestically produced.

Gosh, its almost as if there strategically needs to be Federal mandates 
which prevent us from being so dumb and avoid doing what we know is 
profoundly bad for us ... but there's folks who bitch it "takes away our 
freedoms":  one can't have your cake & eat it too.


-hh