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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 13:18:28 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vlpef4$3hn08$4@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vl5tds$39tut$1@dont-email.me> <9c18a839-9ab4-4778-84f2-481c77444254@att.net> <vl87n4$3qnct$1@dont-email.me> <8ef20494f573dc131234363177017bf9d6b647ee@i2pn2.org> <vl95ks$3vk27$2@dont-email.me> <vl9ldf$3796$1@dont-email.me> <vlaskd$cr0l$2@dont-email.me> <vlc68u$k8so$1@dont-email.me> <vldpj7$vlah$7@dont-email.me> <a8b010b748782966268688a38b58fe1a9b4cc087@i2pn2.org> <vlei6e$14nve$1@dont-email.me> <66868399-5c4b-4816-9a0c-369aaa824553@att.net> <vlir7p$24c51$1@dont-email.me> <412770ca-7386-403f-b7c2-61f671d8a667@att.net> <vllg47$2n0uj$3@dont-email.me> <vllm44$2oeeq$1@dont-email.me> <vlm2fv$2qk9u$2@dont-email.me> <59af1502-0bc9-4266-b556-6164edb6a8d4@att.net> <vlmscv$2vgqf$1@dont-email.me> <9a22a29bfd5af29db5bad5f3cae537665b8dafd7@i2pn2.org> <vlochd$3akpm$2@dont-email.me> <vlofbp$3c074$1@dont-email.me> <vlohk3$3cap7$1@dont-email.me> <vlosfs$3eekp$1@dont-email.me> <vlov8s$3eqeg$2@dont-email.me> <81834850e9e4fdedeb38ddc1da4df4a1ebe34e07@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:18:29 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dc9a5d5b35debff00bf53408719c9f31"; logging-data="3726344"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18vX6MGBAy8tYIYHpAHsuCvafcGJG7uzA8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JLrKMfU1CGNsPFtZ/KoXvRltEkg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <81834850e9e4fdedeb38ddc1da4df4a1ebe34e07@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3516 On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, joes wrote: > Am Thu, 09 Jan 2025 17:59:07 +0100 schrieb WM: >> On 09.01.2025 17:11, FromTheRafters wrote: >>> WM wrote on 1/9/2025 : >>>> On 09.01.2025 13:27, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> WM wrote : >>>>>> On 09.01.2025 01:07, joes wrote: >>>>>>> Am Wed, 08 Jan 2025 22:57:52 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The rule is for n there is n+1. But the successor is not created >>>>>>>> but does exist. How far do successors reach? Why do they not reach >>>>>>>> to ω-1? >>>>>>>> Where do they cease before? >>>>>>> They don't cease. They simply aren't in the same league, if you >>>>>>> will. >>>>>> Cantor will. Every set of numbers of the first and second number >>>>>> class has a smallest element. Hence they all are on the ordinal >>>>>> line. >>>>> Zero is the smallest in the natural number class, omega is the >>>>> smallest of the infinite number class. Neither has a predecessor in >>>>> its class. >>>> Are the natural numbers fixed or do they evolve? >>> Neither >> There is no third alternative. > They are neither finite in number nor do they "come into being". > >>> they are the smallest infinite set. >> The set of prime numbers is infinite but smaller because it is a proper >> subset. It has less than 1 % content. > Any special reason for that figure? > WM only uses 1% of his brain? Just a guess. I don't know.