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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Israel ripped out the heart of the Torah, its economy.
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:03:35 -0000 (UTC)
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link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZansiYHi-yg
title: Rochester Q&A Demanding Moshiach: The Chutzpah We Need Now
source: @YosefGavrielBechhofer

   Reply ...

If you demand 'moshiach' as hard as you can, it may crumble down the wall
which you build inside _yourselves_ (your hard neck), where you have the
wrong expectations about all this on the one hand (you want another King,
so that you can deny HKB'H, it doesn't matter if you pretend otherwise
because Rabbinical Judaism is a lie¹ and therefore it is obvious what
you are doing), and on the other hand the idea that you yourselves are
doing the Torah adequately may also crumble. It is all about your own
psyche, I guess. If you think you can demand anything from HKB'H, that
is silly in a sense, because you have the answer in your hand which is
the _written_ Torah from Moshe Rabbeinu. All you have to do is stop
lying about it¹, and you would live the Redemption (!). Heaven owes
you nothing, because your request for Redemption was already honored
once the Torah was written down thousands of years ago. Your request
was answered before you where born.

It is your pride, the ego you probably feel right now when reading this,
which causes you to delay the Redemption even more. Not so ? Then deal
with the grievances in the note, and start the Redemption _today._

Note 1. The frauds and lies of Rabbinical Judaism are catastrophic
and  include: Rambam Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, Shabbos candle
lighting to ruin the Shabbos. You fake the new day moment. If you want
a summary of what you ruined, you ruined the _economy_ of the Torah,
almost entirely: land, money, rest.

Remember Egypt, what was so bad about it ? The economy. The economy became
slavery, Tyranny. That is about work, about money, about the economy,
about no rest, about being slaves. This is what it was all about, and
your ruined it, you ripped out the heart.

  * End reply.

I rewrote the whole thing once over, but in the previous attempt to get
through to the hard necked rebels against the Torah (Israel & her
Rabbis) I tried to argue that as time goes on and nothing happens, you
start to wonder from two ends: did we expect the wrong thing about what
'moshiach' is and do we hence need to widen our expectations, and on the
other hand the idea that you are actually following the Torah in a
worthy way may start to crumble, because why else has 'moshiach'
otherwise not arrived. This effect may become more pronounced when bad
things happen, especially something like the next holocaust, 7 times
worse than the Nazis because Israel did not come back to the Torah after
the Nazis (they kept going with the usurpers and phony law makers Hillel
the Elder and Rambam / Maimonides).

I think a bit of a funny effect in the end (which may be centuries away
from becoming more apparent), is that the Redemption in total will be
more profound and large and long lasting than at least some Jewish
people are thinking is even possible. They on the one hand think
something which they think is easy and great for them (another King who
is nice), and then when they see it actually it may be a big
disappointment because their hope to become idolators again may be dashed.
Then however, when the effects and mechanisms start to operate (if it is
the program in the signature), and slowly but surely good people get
their act together on a greatre & greater scale, the whole thing will
become so much more than they could have dreamed possible.

It is both less, and it is more, I guess. It is different, to put it
that way. Their idolatry is still speaking a lot in them, they are still
idolators at heart. They still do not understand it.

Idolatry also has a connection with ruining the Torah economy, because
the Torah economy is about justice & fairness for all. To ruin that as
they did, they create this difference again between the rich & greedy
who get everything and become increasingly wicked (the bosses, the
criminals, the Kings), and the lower class under it, the slaves, the
tools, the excess population, the fools. The fools then worship their
criminal bosses, which is the idolatry. 

If you look at what idolatry is, I think it may have originated from
groveling to evil violent persons who dominated the group, like you see
in monkey society and dog society (I mean the animals). To shift this
subservient behavior to the most violent and strong (but basically
'evil') top dog to a statue or an idea, is potentially a positive
development of this behavior which needs to change, because we are
humans now, we are the techno monkeys. We are strong because we are
creative, not because we are violent & evil.

Hence, the connection between the will to have a King and worship this
King as a god, and idolatry, where this worship of a King is potentially
even worse and more primitive than worshiping a statue or an idea of a
magical creature (idol). Worshiping the idol rather than the living
criminal boss, allows you to have an amount of freedom and opposition
against the ruling crime boss of the day, especially if you choose an
idol associated with peace & justice (which they might not, which could
potentially be worse than worshiping the criminal boss of the day as a
person). You think I talk bizarre ? Go look into organized crime. The
captain of a gang is basically regarded as a god with all the power.
They typically operate in practice with absolute Tyranny, and they
demand absolute and complete obedience. The Italians apparently even
call their boss their 'god - father'. These are the most primitive of
humans, who still act out in this animal kind of way.

You see the connection with the idolatry, the ruining of the economy,
and ancient behaviors of worshiping violent people. I think many Jewish
people and especially gentiles, let their idolatrous fantasies go wild
when they think about this supposedly to happen Redemption and
'moshiach'. They think it is like the final idol is coming for helping
them, being their boss forever and then they can live their animalstic
lives as second rated human cattle of sorts, and that is what they even
want to see happen. This is what they are sort of prepared to do.

I don't think this is what it is all about at all, and hence the greater
mismatch between what actually needs to happen (which is also the Torah
of Moshe Rabbeinu), and what they are expecting and readying themselves
for in a sort of way (including the gentiles). They think it is about
Tyranny under a good tyrant, forever. I think this is a big mistake.

It is about finally stop being crazy and irresponsible people, to take
charge of your real life with the others, together. If there is an agent
who is proposing these things, then maybe that is a practical necessity
of operating this game according to the rules of nature, while on the
other hand: why doesn't every person at least in older age make a
design around such ideals, and why aren't the vast majority of such
designs good to go ? This is just part of this 'game' of life on Earth,
that you can do that. People simply just do _not_ do that, because they
don't care. They care about themselves and their petty lives, and that's
it. This is why the mess on Earth continues. It is for the sake of moral
and intellectual laziness and dishonesty.

Anyway ... another remark which may play into it is this ...

title: Torah Ohr: Moshiach: rebuild Temple & ALL JEWS will do ALL Mitzvot!
source: Rabbi Tuvia Bolton
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-jqLOrvoF4&t=1s

   Reply ...

"All Jews will do all Mitsvot." ? Have you thought about what that can mean ?
When there are 20 horses to be trained, but after trying every which
way only 1 horse could be trained. How is it possible that all horses
are trained ? Do you see the answer ? Bonus question: why 20 and 1.

*

Understand ? It may not matter what you think. It may not matter what
you are capable off or not, or how far you are willing to go, for the
final end result on Earth. You may think it matters, and you are right,
but that is only for you personally, as you think and worry about
yourself. You are not necessarily needed to make it happen on Earth.
Your personal name is not necessarily on the roll of people who will
certainly live and see the Redemption. Just because you may not be
willing or able to do what is necessary, does not mean that therefore
that which is necessary is not going to happen, because you could not do
that. If you can or are not willing to do what is necessary, that
ultimately does not block it, it only blocks you yourself from being
part of it or even seeing it. 

The answer is ... 19 horses have been send to the butcher, and it was
20:1 because that is 7 times the death rate of the Nazi holocaust.

Just becaues the Redemption is peace and happiness for all humans on
Earth, that doesn't mean it is peace & happiness for you personally.
You may have thought that it was, because that was the lazy way to think
about things. You wanted that to be true. From there you may have
computed: because I must be in this, it cannot be more than what I am
capable and willing to do, and therefore I don't have to improve myself
much either because if it is going to be what I now think I am willing
and capable of doing because how else could I be part of it, then I can
already do that now (by definition), and hence I don't need to do
anything special to make it. You see how this circular logic works, how
people can put themselves to sleep with it ? Then when it happens, they
are not ready and rather than the Redemption waiting even longer on
them, the cut is made and they suddenly find out they are unfit to live
on Earth. They lack the skills to make it in this system of peace and
Justice, or worse they have grown so debased that they can find no
happiness in a world full of peace & Justice for all.

Take that as a warning, and maybe you can still make it. I also don't
know how it will all go, and if there will be like a huge change which
is very difficult for bad people, or if it will still take tens of
thousands of years for every corner of the world to eventually be
conquered by good people. In a Jewish sense however, there is only one
Yerushalayim and one Israel, one final Redemption, I suppose. (I also
follow some other sources here, which seem to suggest there may be a
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