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From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Uncle Is Not Good With Money
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 16:36:29 -0800
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On 1/10/25 16:14, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 5:02 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 1/10/25 13:46, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2025 12:32 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> He's also been beating "The Ukrainians should be part of Russia" drum
>>>>> for some time now.
>>>>
>>>> Putin has for some time been talking about restoring the Russian 
>>>> Empire of
>>>> the 19th century, and he will talk about various strategic 
>>>> possibilities
>>>> as if he is planning for a land invasion of the type that Napoleon 
>>>> tried.
>>>> In many ways he seems to work hard to emulate the czars.
>>>>
>>>> So, sure, he wants Ukraine.  And when he's got Ukraine he'll want 
>>>> Belarus
>>>> and Armenia and then the Baltic states.
>>>>
>>>> Now... the big question is will he want Poland?  When the Russian 
>>>> Revolution
>>>> happened, the Soviets let go of Poland which had previously been 
>>>> part of the
>>>> Russian Empire.  Putin has talked extensively about what a terrible 
>>>> job Lenin
>>>> did in giving away parts of the empire and allowing SSRs that were 
>>>> part of
>>>> the Soviet union a degree of autonomy that he believes they never 
>>>> should have
>>>> been granted.
>>>>
>>>> In the Soviet era, Poland was just one of the Warsaw Pact states 
>>>> which were
>>>> allied and somewhat controlled by the Soviet Union but not actually 
>>>> part of
>>>> the Soviet union.  (This was because they wanted a barrier of allied
>>>> states in order to block a land invasion.)  Putin talks about how 
>>>> weak this
>>>> arrangement was, and wants something stronger.  The problem here is 
>>>> that
>>>> the Poles don't like Russia very much.
>>>>
>>>> So.... yeah, this is why the war in Ukraine isn't just about 
>>>> Ukraine. And
>>>> yeah, it's an expensive war for Europe and the US to conduct, but 
>>>> not as
>>>> expensive as the alternative.
>>>> --scott
>>>
>>> Poland is part of NATO.  We will not allow Putin to take Poland. 
>>> Nevertheless, Poland is arming itself.
>>>
>>> Putin already took Crimea and Georgia.  He will do what he wants to do.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> `    He will only do what we allow him to do.
>>
>>      First bomb out of the rack from Russia
>> or its North Korean pal will result in a lot of
>> unplanned Russian demolitions and NK would be
>> be history.
>>
>>      You seem to have missed the message of WW II
>> which is that we can take a lot of punishment and still
>> beat the totaliltarian dictators.
>>
>>      Remember Pearl Harbor and the loss of most of
>> the Pacific Fleet? The futile attacks on the West Coast.
>> The incendary ballons sent to the Pacific Northwest?
>>
>>      If we had stood up to the Third Reich earlier
>> the Germans might not have advised the Japanese that
>> we were not fighters. Pacificistic Isolationists and
>> anti-semites kept Roosevelt from helping Europe until
>> we were attacked by Germany's Allies, the Axis.
>>
>>      Pacifistic intentions are fine until the invader
>> is at your door. Then you better hope that you have
>> learned from the past.
>>
>>      bliss - hobble on, hobble on.
> 
> There is a bunch of warmongers on this board.
> 
> Lynn

	I hope there are plenty of people who believe
the capacity to mount a strong attackl is the best
defense.
	We have investing billion or even trillions
of dollars in war machinery and it had better work
as the contractors who collected the profits stated
or we will be very unhappy.

	You seem to be the sort of America First pacifist
who rallied with the German-American Bund in the 1930s
at venues such as Madison Square Garden.
	A shopkeeper who will not raise a hand in
the defense of the nation as the NAZIs advised the
Japanese in the 1930s.
	
	Shame on you.
	bliss