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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Uncle Is Not Good With Money Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:53:52 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 94 Message-ID: <vlsivg$ac35$2@dont-email.me> References: <vlpb2u$3h575$2@dont-email.me> <vlq4bj$3pd3p$1@dont-email.me> <wqagP.54961$XfF8.17989@fx04.iad> <vlrf0a$2ra1$3@dont-email.me> <vlrp3l$j3$1@panix2.panix.com> <vls4ga$84m0$4@dont-email.me> <vls8ue$8igr$4@dont-email.me> <vlsd5o$9opd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 02:53:53 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cbe6e801398686b57ba64b7463895e50"; logging-data="340069"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18C1pMSIUzzaRDqd+4QaFHbiw0pZjJVs3w=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:94T0Y52oISwTvzwywIw32Z+0HuQ= In-Reply-To: <vlsd5o$9opd$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4742 On 1/10/2025 7:14 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 1/10/2025 5:02 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 1/10/25 13:46, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>> On 1/10/2025 12:32 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> He's also been beating "The Ukrainians should be part of Russia" drum >>>>> for some time now. >>>> >>>> Putin has for some time been talking about restoring the Russian >>>> Empire of >>>> the 19th century, and he will talk about various strategic >>>> possibilities >>>> as if he is planning for a land invasion of the type that Napoleon >>>> tried. >>>> In many ways he seems to work hard to emulate the czars. >>>> >>>> So, sure, he wants Ukraine. And when he's got Ukraine he'll want >>>> Belarus >>>> and Armenia and then the Baltic states. >>>> >>>> Now... the big question is will he want Poland? When the Russian >>>> Revolution >>>> happened, the Soviets let go of Poland which had previously been >>>> part of the >>>> Russian Empire. Putin has talked extensively about what a terrible >>>> job Lenin >>>> did in giving away parts of the empire and allowing SSRs that were >>>> part of >>>> the Soviet union a degree of autonomy that he believes they never >>>> should have >>>> been granted. >>>> >>>> In the Soviet era, Poland was just one of the Warsaw Pact states >>>> which were >>>> allied and somewhat controlled by the Soviet Union but not actually >>>> part of >>>> the Soviet union. (This was because they wanted a barrier of allied >>>> states in order to block a land invasion.) Putin talks about how >>>> weak this >>>> arrangement was, and wants something stronger. The problem here is >>>> that >>>> the Poles don't like Russia very much. >>>> >>>> So.... yeah, this is why the war in Ukraine isn't just about >>>> Ukraine. And >>>> yeah, it's an expensive war for Europe and the US to conduct, but >>>> not as >>>> expensive as the alternative. >>>> --scott >>> >>> Poland is part of NATO. We will not allow Putin to take Poland. >>> Nevertheless, Poland is arming itself. >>> >>> Putin already took Crimea and Georgia. He will do what he wants to do. >>> >>> Lynn >> >> ` He will only do what we allow him to do. >> >> First bomb out of the rack from Russia >> or its North Korean pal will result in a lot of >> unplanned Russian demolitions and NK would be >> be history. >> >> You seem to have missed the message of WW II >> which is that we can take a lot of punishment and still >> beat the totaliltarian dictators. >> >> Remember Pearl Harbor and the loss of most of >> the Pacific Fleet? The futile attacks on the West Coast. >> The incendary ballons sent to the Pacific Northwest? >> >> If we had stood up to the Third Reich earlier >> the Germans might not have advised the Japanese that >> we were not fighters. Pacificistic Isolationists and >> anti-semites kept Roosevelt from helping Europe until >> we were attacked by Germany's Allies, the Axis. >> >> Pacifistic intentions are fine until the invader >> is at your door. Then you better hope that you have >> learned from the past. >> >> bliss - hobble on, hobble on. > > There is a bunch of warmongers on this board. > > Lynn I'm not a war monger, but you seem to be Neville Chamberlain. This isn't something we can negotiate. Putin must be taken down. pt