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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go
 wrong?
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:55:41 -0500
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On 1/10/2025 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 15:40:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/10/2025 2:20 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 12:01:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Protected" bike lane hazard lawsuit:
>>>>
>>>> https://komonews.com/news/local/cyclist-green-lake-neighborhood-king-
>>> county-superior-court-aviv-litov-26-years-old-bike-lanes-life-altering-
>>> injuries-strittmatter-firm-configuration-tesla
>>>
>>> But Frank, didn't you just ask me what I did when a 10 foot wide truck
>>> tried to pass me on a 12 foot road? Apparently your answer is to take the
>>> lane and hope that the truck isn't going too fast to slow in time.
>>
>> I asked what you do when an 8.5 foot truck comes up from behind you in a
>> 10 foot lane.
>>
>> My answer is to take the lane. I've done it thousands of times. It works.
>>
>> What's your answer? Do you get off the road?
> 
> 
> 
> Ah yes... I once described an accident here where two women and two
> tiny kids on a motor scooter "took the lane". The truck certainly
> attempted to stop, in fact the trailer had tipped over and was still
> laying in the road when I came by, but still  wasn't able to stop in
> time. The results was 4 people in the hospital, two of which died.
> 
> Your response was,  "Oh! They didn't do it right."
> 
> That's when I realized that your advise really wasn't very good at
> all.

As I recall, the woman on the scooter pulled out directly in front of a 
truck. That's not at all what I do. I default to roughly lane center, 
what's sometimes known as "primary position." If I"m not already there, 
I check to be sure it's clear before moving there. This is clearly 
explained in every legitimate bike education program.

But John, you haven't answered my question either, even though I've 
asked it countless times. I suppose you don't ride any more, but you 
certainly did for years.

Back when you rode, were you _never_ in a lane too narrow to share with 
a wide vehicle, and with no shoulder?

8.5 foot truck, ten foot lane. It's not an uncommon situation.

What did you do?

-- 
- Frank Krygowski