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From: rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Newsgrouper Update
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:17:38 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Hispagatos
Message-ID: <voobti$18jgc$1@matrix.hispagatos.org>
References: <1729782469-7@newsgrouper.org.uk> <1739546063-7@newsgrouper.org>
Reply-To: ReK2 <rek2@hispagatos.org>
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On 2025-02-14, Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> Sorry, but I've now decided I need to block access to Newsgrouper from the
> UK, starting 16th March. This is because I find it impractical to meet the
> requirements of the UK's Online Safety Act, which comes into effect then.
> See https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety and https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk
>
> I've done a fair bit more homework on this, reading some of the guidance,
> but not all the thousands of pages that Ofcom has produced, and following
> their online seminars. Unfortunately very many aspects remain vague, and
> requests to Ofcom to provide clearer guidelines get answers like "It depends
> on your circumstances", "We can't advise individual sites", "You have to
> make the judgement", etc..
>
> I'm afraid my conclusion is that trying to comply with the OSA is just too
> much effort.  It's not just the initial risk assessments and policy/system
> changes. It's also that one is then required to respond to any reports that
> come in and judge whether that content is really illegal. You are required
> to remove anything that *is* illegal under a long list of categories, but
> also to protect users' right to freedom of speech. It's easy to think of
> cases where this balance could be very tricky. I simply don't want to get
> into the business of having to police other people's speech.
>
> Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK will put a site
> outside the scope of the Act. So I put up a simple survey on the newsgrouper
> site, this appeared for UK users only, and I let it run for two weeks.
> There was just one question and a space for comments. I got 11 responses,
> as follows:
>
>    How would a UK block affect you?                    Answers
> 1: Not Concerned, I can follow Usenet by other means.      1
> 2: An Annoyance, but not the end of the world.             5
> 3: Oh No, that would be a disaster!                        5
>
> The comments were generally disappointed, but some also expressed
> understanding. So blocking UK access would be a real inconvenience to
> 5 people. I regret that, but they may be able to use one of the other web
> interfaces to Usenet, see:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popularity
> Also UK people are only about 15% of my users now.
>
> I have seen comments that having a .uk address is enough to bring a site
> into the scope of the act. I'm not convinced about that, but to be on the
> safe side I have reregistered my site as newsgrouper.org with a redirect
> from newsgrouper.org.uk .
>
> My software is available at:
> https://chiselapp.com/user/cmacleod/repository/newsgrouper/home
> so if anyone else wants to take on the job of running an instance that would
> remain open to UK users, they are welcome to do so.
>


Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country?  and have the few in the uk
using it use tor/vpn?  you could also give http access on tor/i2p
:shrugs: 

Happy Hacking 
ReK2 


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