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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!news.samoylyk.net!news.hispagatos.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> Newsgroups: news.software.readers Subject: Re: Newsgrouper Update Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:17:38 -0000 (UTC) Organization: Hispagatos Message-ID: <voobti$18jgc$1@matrix.hispagatos.org> References: <1729782469-7@newsgrouper.org.uk> <1739546063-7@newsgrouper.org> Reply-To: ReK2 <rek2@hispagatos.org> Injection-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:17:38 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: matrix.hispagatos.org; logging-data="1330700"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@hispagatos.org" User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux) Bytes: 4023 Lines: 63 On 2025-02-14, Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: > Sorry, but I've now decided I need to block access to Newsgrouper from the > UK, starting 16th March. This is because I find it impractical to meet the > requirements of the UK's Online Safety Act, which comes into effect then. > See https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety and https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk > > I've done a fair bit more homework on this, reading some of the guidance, > but not all the thousands of pages that Ofcom has produced, and following > their online seminars. Unfortunately very many aspects remain vague, and > requests to Ofcom to provide clearer guidelines get answers like "It depends > on your circumstances", "We can't advise individual sites", "You have to > make the judgement", etc.. > > I'm afraid my conclusion is that trying to comply with the OSA is just too > much effort. It's not just the initial risk assessments and policy/system > changes. It's also that one is then required to respond to any reports that > come in and judge whether that content is really illegal. You are required > to remove anything that *is* illegal under a long list of categories, but > also to protect users' right to freedom of speech. It's easy to think of > cases where this balance could be very tricky. I simply don't want to get > into the business of having to police other people's speech. > > Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK will put a site > outside the scope of the Act. So I put up a simple survey on the newsgrouper > site, this appeared for UK users only, and I let it run for two weeks. > There was just one question and a space for comments. I got 11 responses, > as follows: > > How would a UK block affect you? Answers > 1: Not Concerned, I can follow Usenet by other means. 1 > 2: An Annoyance, but not the end of the world. 5 > 3: Oh No, that would be a disaster! 5 > > The comments were generally disappointed, but some also expressed > understanding. So blocking UK access would be a real inconvenience to > 5 people. I regret that, but they may be able to use one of the other web > interfaces to Usenet, see: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popularity > Also UK people are only about 15% of my users now. > > I have seen comments that having a .uk address is enough to bring a site > into the scope of the act. I'm not convinced about that, but to be on the > safe side I have reregistered my site as newsgrouper.org with a redirect > from newsgrouper.org.uk . > > My software is available at: > https://chiselapp.com/user/cmacleod/repository/newsgrouper/home > so if anyone else wants to take on the job of running an instance that would > remain open to UK users, they are welcome to do so. > Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country? and have the few in the uk using it use tor/vpn? you could also give http access on tor/i2p :shrugs: Happy Hacking ReK2 -- - {gemini,https}://{,rek2.}hispagatos.org - mastodon: @rek2@hispagatos.space - [https|gemini]://2600.Madrid - https://hispagatos.space/@rek2 - https://keyoxide.org/A31C7CE19D9C58084EA42BA26C0B0D11E9303EC5