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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Uncle Is Not Good With Money
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 21:23:31 -0500
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On 1/11/2025 6:46 PM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:35:28 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> <snippo>
>>
>>>>     Actually Russia should be part of the Ukrainian State if you
>>>> go back far enough in History. But the Ukrainian nation sparked Russia.
>>>> Kiev should be the capital. Most of Russian history started with Kiev.
>>>
>>> This is incorrect. Ukraine and Russia should be part of the Swedish
>>> kingdom!
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik
>>>
>>> According to the chronicle, Rurik was one of the Rus', a Varangian 
>>> tribe.
>>> Most historians believe that the Rus' were of Scandinavian origin,[13]
>>> more specifically from what is currently coastal eastern Sweden 
>>> around the
>>> eighth century.[14] According to the prevalent theory, the name Rus' is
>>> derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row", from an older name
>>> for the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen.[15][16]
>>
>> While I was waiting for my Russian Basic class to begin, I did some
>> reading. I found out a lot about Siberian folk religions but I also
>> found the Scandanavian connection; indeed, IIRC, what I read suggested
>> that a fair number of common Russian names for people are derived from
>> Scandanavia. Among other things.
> 
> This is very interesting. Do you have any links or more information? In 
> terms of siberian folk religions, I have a theory that the religions and 
> customs of the early vikings at some point crossed with the siberian 
> folk religions. This is not proven, but I would not be surprised if 
> there's been some influence back and forth between the two.
> 
>> This gives the impressiion that the Great Russians are Swedes, and the
>> Little Russans (Belarus) [1] are the real Russians.
> 
> I will call them white russians until they are a democracy and they have 
> renamed what ever sweden is called in their language to "sverige". Then 
> we can talk. As long as Lukashenko is there, I will not comply.
> 
>> Another theory is that they are, in fact, Finns.
> 
> Finns? Very interesting. How did you get that connection? I thought the 
> finns and the hungarians, and to a certain extent, the estonians where 
> off by themselves in a corner doing their thing.
> 
>> [1] Also known as "White Russians" -- but not in the political sense,
>> that is, not as contrasted with the "Red Russians" in the post-WWI
>> Civil War.

Scandanavian Vikings penetrated far into what is now Russia, sailing
up rivers, and protaging between them. They even got down to the
Black Sea, and Constantinople, as attested by multiple runic
graffiti in the Hagia Sophia.

While the 'Rus' name *may* be cognate with a Norse word for 'red',
they don't seem to have affected Slavic culture much. However,
Wikipedia says:

"According to the Primary Chronicle, the word Rus' is derived from the
Rus' people, who were a Swedish tribe, and where the three original
members of the Rurikid dynasty came from.[34] The Finnish word for
Swedes, ruotsi, has the same origin.[35] Later archeological studies
mostly confirmed this theory.[36]"

pt