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From: zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Suspension losses
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:55:26 -0500
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On 1/12/2025 12:30 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/12/2025 6:22 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 1/11/2025 4:22 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>>> Am Sat, 11 Jan 2025 00:06:46 -0500 schrieb zen cycle
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm no fan of electronic shifting - it would be just my luck to be on
>>>> planed 4-6 hour ride, and have something crap out at the furthest point
>>>> from the car/house. That said, I'm never going back to discrete 
>>>> shifters.
>>>
>>> It isn't that difficult to carry a CR2032 and a tiny 25 g rechargeable
>>> battery somewhere. The coin cell lasts about two years, the battery is
>>> good for about 800-1000 km. Both warn early via LED on the device or via
>>> a Garmin Edge computer, for not having to care during a 4-6 hour ride.
>>>
>>
>> I can't tell you how many times I leave the house and forget my 
>> wallet. Adding trying to remember to carry a spare battery is only 
>> part of the problem though.
>>
>> The other issue is the failure rates associated with a complex 
>> electro-mechanical systems VS a simple cable derailleur system. (Since 
>> I conduct FMEDAs as part of my role, I'm well-aware of the exponential 
>> failure rates associated with increased complexity).
>>
>> Since I've been seriously riding in the early 1980's, I've never had a 
>> problem associated with a shifting mechanism that I couldn't handle 
>> with a simple road/trail side repair, except for the few times when 
>> I've sheared the derailleur off in the woods. If your E-shifting 
>> mechanism fails for any reason other than the battery going dead, 
>> you're pretty much stick in whenever gear it left you in.
>>
>> I don't begrudge anyone for wanting E-shifting. I think it's a great 
>> technological advancement. The few times I've ridden E-shifting 
>> systems, I've been impressed with the accuracy, repeatability, and 
>> quickness of the shifts. But I don't see those advantages of being 
>> worth the extra cost and risk of failure. That's just my opinion, YMMV.
> 
> Modern electronic shift systems work. They're different from mechanical 
> but IMHO neither better nor worse, just different.

Which is why I wrote "The few times I've ridden E-shifting systems, I've 
been impressed with the accuracy, repeatability, and quickness of the 
shifts. "

> 
> https://pezcyclingnews.com/technspec/how-i-survived-a-dead-sram-etap- 
> battery/
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/cycling/comments/p0vxtq/ 
> shimano_di2_options_when_battery_dies_mid_trip/
> 
> "One temporary solution would be to find someone that has a Di2, unplug 
> their and your rear derailleur and plug in their cable into your 
> derailleur. You can then change to the comfortable gear and ride back 
> home. "
>