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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: Donuts
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:13:59 +1100
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On 14/01/2025 3:02 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 11:36:43 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> 
>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 16:12:15 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:45:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
>>>>>>> recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
>>>>>>> strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
>>>>>>> same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problem? What problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vector calculus.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts
>>>>> in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without
>>>>> prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>> We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme
>>>>>> filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly
>>>>>> City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy
>>>>> Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service
>>>>> machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
>>>>> those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's
>>>>> donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
>>>>> with what I know, hence the original question.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.georgessf.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donuts with wine parings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark.
>>>>>> They are really good, but are usually sold out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
>>>>> why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the
>>>>> odd recession aside.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Google    Donuts San Francisco  . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that
>>>>>> happening in other cities/countries?
>>>>>
>>>>> If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1].
>>>>> Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
>>>>> far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply
>>>>> *years* ahead of us. And  Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd
>>>>> image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that
>>>>> particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from
>>>>>> leftover baguette slices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] LSD, gays, illegals and  trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
>>>>> like myself tend to frown upon.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty conservative myself, but I don't wear a MAGA hat or roll my
>>>> eyes too hard, and most people are nice, in person.
>>>>
>>>> Illegals do all the building and cooking and roofing that the coders
>>>> and sociology majors don't know how to do.
>>>>
>>>> Gays are great! More neat women for us!
>>>
>>> True, but have you had them come on to you? It's just not pleasant at
>>> all.
>>
>> Any unwanted sexual advances are unpleasant.  Men on men, women on men,
>> women on women and most comonly of all, men on women.  Just be glad you
>> aren't a woman.
> 
> Evolution programmed us to do some things that Miss Manners would not
> approve of.

Evolution doesn't program anything. It just lets different inherited 
programs compete.

Human evolution has left us with kids that are born before they can fend 
for themselves, and need parental care to survive until they can. 
Pair-bonding is the usual way of getting that - the father hangs around 
and helps feed the kid. Extended family also works - older sibling and 
grandparents can pitch in.

Sadly, there are some great-ape programs left in the gene-pool, and they 
program males to inseminate anything they can. Those kids are less 
well-fed and are less likely to survive long enough to reproduce, but it 
takes a while to completely delete sub-optimal programs from the gene-pool.

> The caveman approach, or wild promiscuity, which sometimes
> work, ie make babies. The problem for most of us is to balance those
> instincts against humanity and rationality, and still enjoy ourselves.

Evolution is doing that for us, but it is a slow process.

> I'm glad I'm not a woman because women are so awesome and beautiful
> that I'm glad that I'm programmed to appreciate them.

Quite a few of them are but there are also female equivalents of John 
Larkin.

> There were zero women in my EE school. It must be very different now,
> with so many women in tech.

I met quite a few female programmers. Female hardware engineers were 
remarkably rare - one of my bosses early on had an interview question 
"do you maintain your own car?" which is revealing. My wife did do a car 
maintenance course when she was a graduate student, and I was a long way 
away, but let me do it for her when I was within reach.

> When I was a student at Tulane I was invited to present a paper at the
> local IEEE chapter meeting. My wife wanted to hear it so I brought her
> along. At the end, I was pulled aside and scolded that women were not
> allowed as either members or guests. The fatheads didn't understand my
> paper anyhow.

The NSW branch of the IEEE has quite a lot of female members. One of the 
star attractions is going back to Europe to become a professorial fellow 
at IMEC in Belgium - the European academic semi-conductor foundry, which 
is impressve - she'd worked there before she came to Sydney.

Times really have changed
__
Bill Sloman