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Subject: Re: OT: Sturgeon General warns even moderate drinking causes cancer
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On 2025-01-14 21:54:20 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:22:14 -0800, Your Name wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-01-14 08:14:20 +0000, Pluted Pup said:
>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 21:28:53 -0800, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-14 02:54:29 +0000, Pluted Pup said:
>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 17:11:17 -0800, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-13 22:23:56 +0000, The Horny Goat said:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 04:30:44 -0500, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article<vlbfel$g7qt$1@dont-email.me>, super70s@super70s.invalid wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And living to 100 causes death!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Reminds me of back in the 70s and 80s when they were always coming out
>>>>>>>>> with something causing cancer, a friend of mine would say "next they'll
>>>>>>>>> be telling us fresh mountain water causes cancer."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just another attempt by leftists to reintroduce Prohibition without
>>>>>>>> passing laws or changing the Constitution...
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Left? The Left loves recruiting kids to alcohol
>>>>> and drug use, to "break" them from their squareness.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I guess I must be a zombie then since I drank a 750ml bottle of wine
>>>>>>> on New Year's Eve (and subsequently paid for it but it's once a year).
>>>>>>> And it was a variety that has a rather higher alcohol content than
>>>>>>> usual to - I'm a big guy but was floating in my chair by the time I
>>>>>>> went to bed. (Haven't had a drop since)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Like anything else, alcohol can be good in some wasy and bad in others,
>>>>>> when used sensibly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Like cigarettes?
>>>> 
>>>> I meant in the sense of food and drink.
>>> 
>>> Alcohol is a drug, not a food.
>> 
>> Nope. Alcohol is a drink. It can be addictive from some people, but
>> it's not a drug.
> 
> It is a medically active narcotic drug, if it was beneficial it
> could be prescribed for a particular condition, but what it is
> beneficial for is vague, it, like marijuana, has been described
> by its users as a panacea for all diseases.
> 
> That alcohol, like caffeine, can be consumed as a beverage does not
> mean it isn't a drug.
> 
>> 
>>>> True, but the constantly changing opinons based on these idiotic and
>>>> flawed studies *ARE* stupid (as well as a massive waste of time and
>>>> money).
>>> 
>>> The media changes it's opinions based on promotion, not facts.
>>> The media is so into sensationalism that it often slaps misleading
>>> headlines to articles, to help spread confusion.
>> 
>> It's not the media running the silly studies and continually changing
>> their minds about whether something is good for you or bad for you. The
>> media only reports the results of the study (often with misleading
>> headlines) that they've been given in a media release.
>> 
>> The silly studies themselves are run by universities and medical
>> research companies. The problm is their methodology is flawed and the
>> results statistically manipulated ... just like all polls, surveys, and
>> studies.
>> 
>>>>>> Also like anything else, alcohol taken in excessive amounts will be bad
>>>>>> for you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And like cigarettes, causes cancer. Teaching kids to drink
>>>>> is like teaching kids to smoke.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally I can't even stand the stench of alcohol to bother drinking
>>>> it, but as long as people drink it *sensibly* there is no real danger
>>>> to it and it can have some beneficial effects.
>>> 
>>> As studies have long shown, alcohol is harmful as a beverage,
>>> it causes cancer, for example.
>> 
>> That's one of the bad potential effects when drinking it in excessive amounts.
> 
> It is a carcinogen in any amount, like smoking. If this
> is an acceptable risk, that's what is up for debate.
> 
>> 
>> But there is nothing wrong with alcohol when used *sensibly*, and in
>> some ways it can be beneficial.
> 
> For normal people, drinking is about as beneficial as smoking.
> 
> No one talks about sensible cigarette smoking being good for you.
> 
>> Just like any other food or drink, if
>> you're stupid enough to go to excessive amounts, you will cause
>> yourself problems.
>> 
>>> The "studies" that claimed moderate drinking is better for you were
>>> all bogus because they shoved the ill, ex-alcoholics, etc.,
>>> into the abstainer category. Someone who came down with liver
>>> disease from drinking and became an abstainer would be counted in
>>> these studiesas a non-drinker, rather than an ex-drinker.
>>> These biased "studies" ignored people's drinking histories.
>>> In reality an ex-drinker has a greater risk of cancer than a
>>> never-drinker, just like an ex-smoker has a greater risk of cancer
>>> than a never-smoker.
>>> 
>>> This is just like as if they ignored someone's smoking history
>>> if they were currently non-smoking, but they don't, they count
>>> an ex-smoker as an ex-smoker. No one is saying that one
>>> cigarette a day is better for you, and so should no one say that
>>> about drinking.
>> 
>> As I said, the studies are flawed, making them all at best worthless
>> wastes of time and money, and at worst can be highly dangerous (partly
>> thanks to the media reporting them).
>> 
>> One 'good' example is the idiotic study and reports that people should
>> "drink 8 glasses of water a day". After the silly study was reported in
>> the media, some people took it to extremes, including some people who
>> died from drinking too much water.
> 
> I don't think there was any such study, but it was a media
> urban legend that everyone needed to drink 8 glasses of water
> a day. If the leading news sources concocts a new fad, all other
> news sources take the same stance like they do in all other
> issues.
> 
> Besides, water is necessary for life, while alcohol and
> smoking is harmful in any amount, they are carcinogens.

Whatever you want to believe.  :-\
It's not worth wasting any more of my time on this silliness.