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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: PING Britain and Canadia: This is How You Do Free Speech Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:50:32 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 107 Message-ID: <vm9e3o$357lm$1@dont-email.me> References: <vm6gvi$2i033$7@dont-email.me> <vm99au$34e2s$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 23:50:32 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="230c14bfb0af4109e69cb1157803460b"; logging-data="3317430"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/3IXRLyzQFUW5e/Zi6AFzJ" User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Cancel-Lock: sha1:IgR+WcB2TorPz0pXMrtQjnCp/eU= Bytes: 5711 On Jan 15, 2025 at 1:29:02 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: > BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote: > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83L6vZx6OuA > > Sep 25, 2021 > > Earlier video > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39OMhmK7EM > > Apr 19, 2020 > >> A teen girl in Wisconsin posted a pic on Instagram from a hospital in 2020 in >> the midst of the Wuhan Flu hysteria, with the caption, "Winning the fight >> with >> COVID-19." > >> The sheriff's department showed up at her home and threatened to arrest her >> and charge her with disorderly conduct if she didn't remove the post saying >> she had the virus. > > From the earlier video, the girl and her parents were all threatened > with arrest for disorderly conduct. > > Huh. The patrol sergeant who made the threats was sued in his personal > capacity. I didn't know that was a thing. > >> (It's unclear from the reporting why in the hell the cops cared whether she >> had the virus or not or if she was telling the world via Instagram that she >> had it.) > > It's explained in the earlier video. She had travelled to Disney World > with her bandmates, right before both Florida and Wisconsin governors > declared public health emergencies, amd had to come home early. She > thought she had symptoms -- and doctors agreed -- but testing was lousy > and she was never tested during the window in which she'd have showed > positive. Nevertheless, she was diagnosed based on symptoms. > > Her mother informed the band leader to tell the other parents by leaving > a message on voicemail. Weeks later, the principal spoke to the mother. > Again she informed the principal. There was no followup. It was the > school superintendant who complained to the sheriff who, instead of > telling the superintendant NOT to harass the student because HE was > derilict in his duty to notify parents of the other children who were > expowe, sent the patrol sergeant to her door. > > In the first video, Lehto was pissed that the attorney had lied to > reporters claiming no one was threatened with arrest even though the > police sergeant wrote that he had threatened to make arrests in his very > own police report. > > The sheriff wanted the posts removed as there were no confirmed cases in > the county at the time. Wow. Another coverup. > > Remind me again why public officials' embarassment over something or > other trumps the liberty to speak freely and publish, particularly when > the speaker/publisher is telling the truth? > > The father offered to show the police sergeant the doctor's findings and > medical order but the sergeant stated that he wasn't there to > investigate, merely to carry out his sheriff's instructions. > > The father let the girl make the decision to take the offending post > down herself. She took it down as her father had been threatened with > arrest. > > Subsequently a different school administrator sent out a mass message > calling her disease "a rumor" and stating there's no truth that anyone > had been exposed to COVID whilst on the trip. Way to expose the school > district to liability... > >> The U.S. District Court ruled in summary judgment (i.e., the facts stipulated >> to by both parties so clearly showed a violation of the 1st Amendment by the >> government that a trial was unnecessary) that the government committed a >> bright line violation of the girl's right to free speech. > >> The judge wrote in his order, "The 1st Amendment is not a game setting for >> the >> government to toggle off and on. It applies in times of tranquility and times >> of strife." Guaranteed rights cannot be dispatched by the government under >> the >> guise of emergency, and furthermore, law enforcement has no business trying >> to >> regulate the social media posts of local teenagers. > > Nice quote > >> (This would be surprising news to FPP, who at the time was vociferously >> arguing here on RAT that since the pandemic was an 'emergency', the >> government >> could suspend whatever parts of the Constitution it liked.) > >> So while the UK and Canadia are busy sending cops to people's homes to arrest >> them for online posts with the government's endorsement and enthusiastic >> participation, here in America, the cops get yanked back by their leash when >> they try and do that fascist shit. > > I'm appalled that this was taken to court. Couldn't the sheriff have > just... apologized? What a huge waste of the taxpayers' money. Did the > plaintiff at least get lawyers fees? I'm sure all court costs and attorneys' fees were part of the nominal damages awarded by the court.