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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Suspension losses Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 21:05:22 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <vm9ph2$371vt$4@dont-email.me> References: <vlqs89$3b77g$3@dont-email.me> <7ee2ojpq2b75m6gsd5svace02b19qassrk@4ax.com> <beh2ojhsarrl8p37i446fenvlm4sa4tac8@4ax.com> <vlsfta$a60l$1@dont-email.me> <vlsu97$3v3a1$4@dont-email.me> <3mn5ojdc9v7daofhmd5c56m2pbdrser96s@4ax.com> <vm0c59$14sfp$1@dont-email.me> <vm0u86$17g9f$5@dont-email.me> <vm15jr$18tis$5@dont-email.me> <lun2ktFt5jiU1@mid.individual.net> <vm6dts$2i18t$2@dont-email.me> <luq8kpFfnhpU1@mid.individual.net> <vm8ugi$3277e$3@dont-email.me> <ha7goj5novuuv6gjesj815omplpqshg072@4ax.com> Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 03:05:22 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="54a5c404206a72504931b2824742b040"; logging-data="3377149"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/AGwhC3tGLMi+oizTcZZU0zY226eZK3Bs=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:kF4JdfDexo7kbQLvf0MAzp4MXps= In-Reply-To: <ha7goj5novuuv6gjesj815omplpqshg072@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3115 On 1/15/2025 3:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:24:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski > <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote: > >> On 1/15/2025 12:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> On 1/14/2025 7:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The only downside I’ve noted but this is definitely anecdotal than >>>>> statistically significant is of my fellow Gravel club mates which is >>>>> relatively small group two of which have had derailleurs electronic >>>>> failures, both where covered under warranty, but does bring with it a new >>>>> and extra failure point. >>>> I guess a fair comparison would be to ask how many of your gravel mates >>>> have had failures of cable actuated mechanical derailleurs. >>>> >>> >>> None I upgraded my rear mech to GRX to get more range out of the rear mech >>> and to get a “clutch” in Shimano speak essentially the rear mech is tighter >>> so keeps the chain away from the chainstay so is a quieter operation on >>> jiggly/rattly bits. >> "None" is good to know. So there were electronic derailleur failures, >> but no mechanical derailleur failures. That gives us a hint about >> relative reliability. > > Here's two other ideas. > > 1) if you disapprove of electronic shifting, don't buy them. > > 2) The fact that you disapprove of them is not going to stop other > people from buying them. IOW, we are not allowed to discuss reliability of bike parts? Sheesh. Get over your obsession with me, you miserable old man. -- - Frank Krygowski