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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Re: The Rabbis put the entire Nation of Israel at grave risk.
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 10:32:34 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-01-15, Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl> wrote:
> link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1GU6dJ8diKI
> title: Connecting to Hashem | Rabbi Shepherd's purpose towards NON-JEWS
>        "I Have Met Many Moshiach Seeking Redemption Through Different Paths
> source: @KingDavidKabbalah
>
>   Reply ...
>
> Not a clue what this was about. However, the Rabbis have overthrown
> the Torah economy, causing the exile and leading Israel to death. You
> don't want to correct yourselves, so there should not be a Redemption
> for the Rabbis I guess. You made your choices, consequences befitting
> them will have to be the result. I don't know why you are so hard necked
> and dishonest, but if that's your choice, then so be it. Nobody can live
> your lives for you.
>
>    * End reply.

There was an answer to this from that channel, saying something about
how we should love humanity and bring them closer to the creator ...
etc. I'm sorry if this sounds hostile from me when I say: it looks to me
that the Rabbi bit down on the comment with a reply, because for once I
didn't put in any detail or sources to look up, which clearly proof the
point already. It seems to me they ignore my complaint, because they
know or feel they will loose the argument in public. Now however, they
may have thought that I had no sources and where just making the usual
vague statements you see from everywhere on the Internet (especially
gentiles I have to say, less so Jewish people). So, they may have bitten
down on this comment, thinking it could not go wrong for them. Now
however I could reply with the content and the sources, and I guess they
are now stuck because since they replied once, why would they withhold
their comments a second time when it gets detailed ?

I foresee 2 hostile strategies for the Rabbis here: ignore it as usual,
in the hope people will turn away without caring (it works, so long as
the Rabbis stay in charge and are seen as the authority). The other
strategy would be to overwhelm the reader with all manner of sources and
difficult talk, so that the third parties (the Jewish people) would be
so overwhelmed and confused by it, that they think they are unable to
understand these issues at all, and just give up and give in to their
idolatrous nature of worshiping the presumed authority. That itself is
again against the Torah (because the Torah is in your hand, you
understand it and can do it, that itself is in the Torah explicitly).

Less hostile strategies would be to reply clearly with a meaningful
argument. Even if wrong, because now we can all bite down on that and
chew on it. That would be honest I guess. A clear debate is good, I
would welcome it !

Last but not least, admission of the wrong by the Rabbi, Teshuvah has
begun, ISrael is returning to the Torah, and will soon de Redeemed,
apparently forever hopefully. Hopefully the Rabbis can still play a
meaningful role in all of this, to earn their rights and good people,
loyal to the Torah.

If you find it presumptuous what I write, that means you probably don't
have a clue about what I am writing, and are reacting to all these
things with idolatry and emotions. You'd be a mindless person, who
probably does not belong in the Redemption one way or the other, for
reason of low intelligence and lack of honesty and care and humility. I
insulted your idols, so you create hatred out of that, rather than care
& precision around the truth, a service which I'm basically doing for
you here because you refused to do it yourselves.

If I'm wrong, then fine you can be angry about that, but then you would
have the understanding of the topic in mind, and not any silly idolatry
to "wonderful and worshipful authorities who may not be questioned". See
what I mean ?

   Reply ...

@KingDavidKabbalah  Thank you for your reply. Let me first wish you a
long happy and healthy life.

I have 4 questions, but I will ask them one by one so that you can think
& respond for as long as you wish, and we can debate the details if
you like in various ways. All 4 questions are about the Torah economy:
land ownership, loans, rest. It is clear to me at least, that Rabbinical
Judaism has overthrown the Torah economy. I am asking you to do Teshuvah
over this, if you haven't already. I also like to ask you to consider
how Moshe Rabbeinu and Abraham where _rebels_ against the existing order
of their day. Abraham destroyed the idols in his father's shop, Moshe
Rabbeinu killed an abusive Egyptian guard. Going along to get along is not
the essence of the Torah. You may have to be the first among your own to
turn toward the truth, and oppose the entire world on your own. Also,
Israel is in exile for a reason. Rabbinical Judaism, in my opinion,
is that reason. I can explain exactly why, if given the time.

I want to start simple. Do you want to do Teshuvah over the prozbul. If
yes, perhaps you have just started the Redemption.

The prozbul is a device, by which the court of justice (Beit Din)
_pretends_ that a loan becomes a _verdict of a court_ and is "therefore"
(ahum ahum!) not nullified to the poor Jewish person (the debtor) by
the creditor (another Jewish person). A loan is not a court verdict in a
matter of a civil dispute between two persons, or a matter of criminal
or other law (a dispute between the system of Justice in general, and
someone who broke its laws, so to say). A loan is a loan, money afforded
to someone else for a given time, to be payed back later.

The Torah has law about loans, declaring the loan must be *nullified*
in the 7th year, which is a commonly counted year of course. The Torah
goes on at length about this. It even goes as far as to say the Jewish
people  may not withhold their loans when the 7th year approaches. See
Dewariem 15, the text is clear, there is no doubt possible.

The _prozbul_ is a device apparently made up by Hillel the Elder (whose
clan was apparently in charge of the Sanhedrin, close to or during the
time the Romans destroyed the 2nd Temple, which is not exactly a good sign
for them). It was apparently made up because the rich where refusing to
lend to the poor (or so I have read). Instead of forcing the rich to do
their duties under the Torah, they seem to have altered the law in such a
way that the rich may now demand the money back after the 7th year. The
reason they gave for this was not from the Torah. They said that this
"made the world beautiful". That is not a quote from the Torah, that is
something they invented themselves. Beautiful for whom ? For the rich, or
for the poor ? The rich should have been forced to do their duty. If they
had continue to refuse their duties, you may have gone as far as expelling
them, banishing them. Instead, they have pretended to alter the Torah. It
wasn't long after, or Israel its Sovereignty completely collapsed.

The Beit Din (Court of Justice) is there to _enforce_ these laws, not to
play a part in breaking them. The case is clear I believe. The Beit Din
has become corrupt. The prozbul is also listed in the Shulchan Aruch,
number 180. (I have a Shulchan Aruch here, but I became so upset with
this organized crime activity by the Rabbis, that I tore off those pages,
so it became a bit difficult now to see where it was. Sorry about that.)

My question is hence, do you wish to step in the footsteps of Abraham
and Moshe Rabbeinu, and find the courage to do Teshuvah over the prozbul.

We can also discuss this more if you like, especially in terms of the
rationality of the economics, because the Rabbis have _not_ based this
on the Torah, but on their own philosophical muzings and invented ideas
(they who did this, are reformers and go outside of the Torah, which we
see Hillel also do in his famous saying about standing on one leg, where
he thinks he can summarize the entire Torah under some philosophical
principle which _itself_ is not in the Torah (!)). _Do not do to your
neighbor that which is hateful to you_ is not a direct quote from the
Torah, but it appears to be a form of philosophical thought (not entirely
without merrit though, but still, it is not the Torah). The Torah says:
love your neighbor as yourself, and God above all.

If you want to do Teshuvah, then I wish you good luck with this and we
can quickly move on to the next topic ! For example the Jubilee on land
(see Rambam Shemita 10:8). I wish you good luck with your Teshuvah, and
that you may pull out the entire Nation of Israel out of their confusion
and into the Redemption, speedily in your days.

  * End reply.
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