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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:32:13 -0600
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On 1/16/2025 5:58 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 05:43:56 -0500, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/15/2025 1:34 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/15/2025 12:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> On Thu Jan 9 19:17:51 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Protected" bike lane hazard lawsuit:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://komonews.com/news/local/cyclist-green-lake-neighborhood-
>>>>>> king-county-superior-court-aviv-litov-26-years-old-bike-lanes-life-
>>>>>> altering-injuries-strittmatter-firm-configuration-tesla
>>>>>>
>>>>> I?m unconvinced by such designs seems asking for trouble and and
>>>>> attempting
>>>>> to please everyone ie compromise the cycleway for car parking, I?m
>>>>> guessing
>>>>> nice wide junction with no attempt to slow cars down let alone
>>>>> control it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> As a cyclist you don't have automatic right-of-way and are responsible
>>>> to watch for idiots.
>>>
>>> ? I don't know what you mean by "_automatic_ right of way" but according
>>> to typical state laws, cyclists do have a right to use the road, and
>>> other road users must respect that.
>>>
>>> The phrase "right of way" does not necessarily occur in state laws. It's
>>> not present in Ohio laws, AFAIK. But detail text of laws makes it clear
>>> that in many instances - at stop signs, before pulling out of a
>>> driveway, etc. - vehicle operators must yield to other vehicles or other
>>> traffic. That includes bicycles; therefore, bicyclists do have what's
>>> colloquially called "right of way."
>>>
>>> Pulling out directly in front of a moving bicyclists and causing him to
>>> crash will (or should) get you a ticket.
>>>
>>
>> I think in New Hampsire cyclists are regarded as pedestrians such that
>> they are granted the right of way, but at least in Massachusetts:
> 
> https://www.dot.nh.gov/projects-plans-and-programs/programs/bikes-and-pedestrians/rules-traffic-safety
> Bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as motorists.
> Bicycles are vehicles (RSA 265:143).
> 
> 
>>
>>  From https://www.mass.gov/doc/english-drivers-manual/download
>>
>> at a green light: A steady green circle means “go.” But first, you must
>> yield to other vehicles, bicycles, or pedestrians in the road.
>>
>> As a motorist in the presence of bicycles:
>> • Do Not Cut-Off After Passing: When passing a bicycle traveling in the
>> same direction that is on your right, you must not return to the right
>> until you have safely passed the overtaken bicycle. (Chap. 89, Sec. 2)
>> • Do Not Make an Abrupt Turn After Passing: When passing a bicycle near
>> an intersection or driveway where you want to turn right, you cannot
>> turn unless you are at a safe distance from the bicyclist and you can
>> make the turn at a reasonable and proper speed. (Chap. 90, Sec 14)
>> • Do Not Squeeze Bicycles in a Narrow Lane: If a lane is too narrow to
>> pass a bicycle at a safe distance, be PATIENT until you can safely use
>> an adjacent lane or WAIT until it is safe to pass in the lane you share.
>> (Chap. 89, Sec. 2) You must stay at least four feet away when passing.
>> • Do Not Fail to Yield When Turning Left: When turning left at an
>> intersection or into an alley, private road, or driveway, you must yield
>> the right of way to a vehicle approaching from the opposite direction,
>> including a bicycle, if it is in the intersection or close enough to be
>> an immediate hazard. (Chap. 90, Sec 14)
>> • Watch for Bicycles on Your Right: Bicycles can legally ride to the
>> right of motor vehicle traffic. The law says it is not a defense for a
>> motorist causing a crash with a bicycle that the bicycle was to the
>> right of other traffic. (Chap. 85, Sec 11B)
>> • Do Not Open a Door Without First Looking: Drivers and passengers can
>> be fined up to $100 for opening a vehicle door into an oncoming bicycle.
>> (Chap. 90, Sec 14) Before opening your door, you should always check
>> behind you to make sure that no bicyclists are approaching.
>> • Be aware that bicyclists can ride two bicycles side-by-side. However,
>> on a road with more than one lane in the direction of travel, they must
>> stay in one lane. (Chap. 85, Sec. 11B)
>> • Be aware that bicyclists Do Not Always Have to Signal Turns!
>> Bicyclists must signal their intent by either hand to stop or turn.
>> However, the signal does not have to be continuous or be made at all if
>> both hands are needed for the bicycle’s safe operation. (Chap. 85, Sec. 11B)
>>
>> It then goes to explain yielding to cyclists in bike lanes, bike boxes,
>> and how not to 'door' a cyclist.


Most State statutes regulate certain bicycle aspects in ways 
unique to bicycle, but also contain 'Bicycles on public 
roads are considered vehicles for all other purposes.'

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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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