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From: MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Paradoxes
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 22:55:26 +1100
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On 16/01/2025 11:54 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 19:46:59 +1100
> MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 16/01/2025 6:46 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 19:42:09 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, be careful to avoid a god-of-the-gaps.
>>>> Sure, knowledge of God lies outside the province of science.
>>>> Sure, do not rest religious belief on the science of the day.
>>>>
>>>> But, I suspect the thinking you espouse is the product of an a priori
>>>> commitment to metaphysical naturalism. Which itself is a position of
>>>> faith, for example:
>>>>
>>>> "The cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be." (Carl Sagan)
>>>
>>>
>>> I've already asked you this several times but you've always ignored
>>> it; is there any chance of you addressing it this time?
>>>
>>> How do you squareyour claim of an a priori faith-like commitment to
>>> metaphysical naturalism with the many, many theistic evolutionists
>>> like myself who are totally convinced of  their religious beliefs but
>>> have no problem accepting the role of natural processes in both OOL
>>> and Evolution?
>>>
>>> As pointed out by Eugenie Scott, Director of the US National Center
>>> for Science Education, "In one form or another, Theistic Evolutionism
>>> is the view of creation taught at the majority of mainline Protestant
>>> seminaries, and it is the official position of the Catholic church"
>>>
>>
>> I assume you meant to say "metaphysical supernaturalism"?
>>
>> Personally, I haven't ruled out Theistic Evolutionism. A have trusted
>> and respected friends who are orthodox Christians and hold to various
>> forms theistic evolution.
>>
>> However, to me, the scientific evidence does not support a
>> noninterventionist interpretation.
>>
> 
> The trouble is that any postulated interventions are quite bizarre; a
> well-organised god would be much better advised to skip messy evolution
> and create mankind more quickly and with fewer flaws. Or maybe just sit
> back after setting up some firmament, and let nature do the rest.
> Either way this god is unlikely to have a cosmic hotline for any
> individuals woes.

We naturally to seek to answer why and how questions about God's 
actions. Moreover, the Bible attributes order and reason to God.

On the other hand, if we imagine that human reasoning, experience and 
expectation can be used to assess what God would/should or would/should 
not do (be "much better advised" to do), then we comically/tragically 
overestimate our position and perspective.

What are your dog's thoughts and "better advice" regarding your habit of 
leaving in the morning and returning at night? How much more so for us 
and God:

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
     neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
     so are my ways higher than your ways
     and my thoughts than your thoughts."
(Isaiah 55:8-9)