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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 08:15:12 -0600
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On 1/17/2025 2:34 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 19:14:06 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/16/2025 5:53 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:17:50 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/16/2025 5:06 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:04:09 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 3:51 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:15:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 2:05 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:27:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 4:39 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 21:28:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reminded about a parable about a poor widow contributing two tiny
>>>>>>>>>>>> coins, a trivial amount, but “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put
>>>>>>>>>>>> more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their
>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to
>>>>>>>>>>>> live on.”
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So she starved? WTF? Are you really OK with that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good point: WTF!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you think the guy who told that tale should have been
>>>>>>>>>> crucified, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good grief, Krygowski, you have no idea who made that story up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [raises hand]
>>>>>>>> Uh, Mark?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Mark-12-42/
>>>>>>>> https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Mark-12-43/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could be, but there's condiderable doubt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An early church tradition, deriving from Papias of Hierapolis
>>>>>>> (c.60–c.130 AD),[6] regards the Gospel as based on the preaching of
>>>>>>> Saint Peter, and written down by John Mark, who is named in the Acts
>>>>>>> of the Apostles as a companion of Saint Peter.[7][8][9] Most critical
>>>>>>> scholars reject this tradition, and it is generally agreed that it was
>>>>>>> written anonymously for a gentile audience, probably in Rome, sometime
>>>>>>> shortly before or after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70
>>>>>>> AD.[10][b]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for me, I don;t knoe and I don't care who wrote it. I evaluate it
>>>>>>> on it's own standing, as I do on most everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, yes much is unknown and will most probably remain so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And we are all familiar with the most egregious translation
>>>>>> errors in King James.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the composition, wordcraft and phrasing is fundamental
>>>>>> to understanding English literature, without regard to
>>>>>> history, accuracy or truth in the original.
>>>>>
>>>>> I regard the Bible as a history book, but I take it all with several
>>>>> grains of salt. It seems to me that a lot of it was written to
>>>>> frighten people into towing the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that today, Christianity is a force for good, but I base
>>>>> that belief on what I witness, not what I'm told.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>
>>>> I could argue both sides. But I don't much care.
>>>>
>>>> However, as literature, it is the basis of modern English,
>>>> printed in large numbers, for many years, especially in
>>>> times when other works were much less numerous nor widely
>>>> read. Truly, everything about English lit, and much of
>>>> modern English itself, traces to King James.
>>>
>>>
>>> King James and his translators/editors.
>>>
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>
>> +1 to that.
>> He personally had nothing whatsoever to do with it besides
>> hiring the most erudite scholars available.
> 
> I understand that he made decisions about what was to be included and
> what was not. There are a lot of testaments from that era that he did
> not put in his Bible for various reasons. Even some of Paul's letters
> were excluded.
> 
> King James was a Protestant, so his Bible is likely slanted in that
> direction, too. I don't recall seeing a lot of Catholic specific
> doctrine in the Bible, such as praying to Mary and the other Saints.
> 
> I distinctly remember, as a very young child seeing illogical and
> hypocritical religious stuff presented to me and being frightened that
> I was going to go to hell simply because I noted them. Sometime later
> I carefully read the entire new testament and then noted, among other
> things, that "Jesus" was never quoted as mentioning Hell. It's very
> much an Old Testament thing.
> 
> I also noticed, at some time in my early years, that although the
> teachings require an individual to ask for forgiveness and acknowledge
> Jesus as a holy being, Jesus, according to scripture, asked for
> forgiveness *FOR* the people who were killing him (see Sixth
> Commandment) because they denied his holy status.
> 
> Anyone who managed to get through my off_on_a-tangent_ stuff above
> should note that I do not encourage anyone to walk away from their
> belief systems. Most people know that the Bible is full of illogical
> stuff, so my meanderings shouldn't bother them.
> 
> Required bicycle related content below:
> 
> It's been suggested that there's something wrong with me because I
> seek solitude and long uninterrupted bike rides. Above is just a small
> sample of the kind of observations I feel the need to contemplate. I
> revently discovered that I could voice command notes on my phone while
> riding and thus no longer forget to look up the stuff I was
> contemplating.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

I can't speak to theology because I know little about it and 
don't care to pursue it. My comments were about language, 
the text itself, not content.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971