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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 13:01:04 -0600 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <vme9df$5lfv$3@dont-email.me> References: <7ORhP.796214$DYF8.668936@fx14.iad> <c71gojd4tdvlc125jqm3lvk53a22rs62hk@4ax.com> <vm944i$33bk6$1@dont-email.me> <vm9g32$35ll5$2@dont-email.me> <vm9h7s$35fip$2@dont-email.me> <vm9qro$371vt$6@dont-email.me> <mhqhojhvcvs8b16669qs0g4tqseqv8ai3c@4ax.com> <bpthoj1ttn0sfcgi8nas3m1ecp8k11t7ua@4ax.com> <lusc12Fq2paU1@mid.individual.net> <vr6iojh2c0g0i1n1mkbdb1uqf7qto3l0bq@4ax.com> <vmbc6o$3iko8$6@dont-email.me> <vmbfjv$3jg90$1@dont-email.me> <vmblcu$3ke7f$2@dont-email.me> <m6kjoj15n00g3rqv9dv5763u41c5tfkvi0@4ax.com> <vme22l$49l6$4@dont-email.me> <vme28m$4flp$2@dont-email.me> <vme4bq$49l6$10@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 20:01:04 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="395847aa98f59149abc3870af004ef53"; logging-data="185855"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18DHTU2RRjXHCpKdT1wabEv" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:o4wADnMHBW8j1AYSr81wmiLm+S8= In-Reply-To: <vme4bq$49l6$10@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3497 On 1/17/2025 11:34 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 1/17/2025 11:59 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 1/17/2025 10:55 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 1/16/2025 11:30 PM, John B. wrote: >>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:07:10 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I suggest a test. Put Mr. Tricycle out in the >>>>> wilderness all alone. I >>>>> predict he won't better himself or his situation. In >>>>> fact, I predict he >>>>> won't survive long. >>>>> >>>>> OTOH, human beings working cooperatively have built >>>>> entire civilizations. >>>> >>>> Your argument sounds so logical... until one actually >>>> work with >>>> primitive people, the ones the trike man is talking >>>> about. And yes I >>>> have worked with this sort of people. In one case we had >>>> to call in >>>> the Indonesian military to stop a "war" between two >>>> villagers over who >>>> would keep a worn out plastic tarpaulin. Hardly an >>>> example of >>>> "cooperatively". >>> >>> Of course there have always been wars - although I note >>> you were honest enough to put "war" in quotes. When two >>> villagers fight it's not a war. >>> >>> The term "war" when correctly used implies cooperation. >>> Each army cooperates within itself. >>> >>> The oh-so-proud rugged individualists might try attacking >>> an army to see whether individualism beats cooperation. >>> >>> >> >> Like at Lexington perhaps? > > The colonists certainly cooperated among themselves, no? > > Your counterargument needs to be one man who took on an army > and won. > > Hastily assembled self sufficient volunteers against the #1 world power are not enough for you? Even in a famous victory with continuing political import? One man vs Army? We do not like to discuss Major Hassan. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971