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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 15:57:09 -0500
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On 1/17/25 3:04 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 1/16/25 9:40 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/16/25 5:56 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 1/16/25 3:34 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>> but $25K today buys a new Civic or another "budget" car.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $25K car is a "budget" car these days? Hehe :-)
>>
>> New car, just like how the conversation was originally about new PCs.
>>
>>
>> And yes, 'budget' in the context of new car prices, since Edmunds' 
>> 3Q24 report found that the average new car in the USA cost $47,542.
>>
>> And FYI, average used car price was $27,177.
>>
>>
>>> The last car I bought is a Toyota Echo 2002, in 2017, for $1600. 
>>
>> Bully for you.  Did it include a radio?  My first car didn't.
> 
>  From today's craigslist:
> 
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris- 
> hatchback/7815953954.html
> 
> 2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 20 
> minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem with my 
> Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
> 
> A used car is worth, and priced, between $1500 to $2000. Anything above 
> that is a rip off. A computer is worth between $70 and $80.
> 
> And at the bottom of it, ANY car above $2000 and ANY computer above $80 
> is a rip off. New or used. That's my main point.  You guys have bad 
> habits.

If something really is a "ripoff" depends on many more factors than 
merely if it minimally meets your personal transportation needs.

For example, when someone isn't personally handy with doing DIY roadside 
repairs, how does that change selection criteria?  Ditto for other 
factors, such as to reliably arriving at work on time.  Or driving 
through remote regions without being stranded, or even just though 
unsafe urban neighborhoods.  Plus seating for how many passengers?  Need 
heat?  Snow tires?  Or summer A/C?  Handicapped?  There's a wide variety 
of what constitutes "good enough" transportation across a population.

And sure, one can keep a car running forever with enough maintenance, 
but that's not free, nor constant per mile:  as costs change and 
accumulate, there's a cost-benefit trade-off decision for where 
vehicular replacement can become the more fiscally prudent choice than 
the sum of various maintenance costs (including time spent) to keep the 
old Yaris on the road vs junking it and getting another one.

Likewise, you can also choose to go buy another used vehicle with its 
unknown history/reliability and spend whatever time & money again to 
make it sufficiently reliable/etc ... but it again comes back to the 
question of if that's how you want to spend your time vs pursuit of 
other endeavors/interests.


> You guys have bad 
> habits. You're like those psycho Shoe freaks. Or those who lose their 
> savings buying stocks that aren't worth what they're paying for. You 
> don't know what you're doing, and others smarter than you, or rather are 
> simply healthy in mind, are taking advantage of that.

Not at all, for much of the point here is that everything can be 
simplified down to a "Make, or Buy" kind of decision point:  want to 
keep on making your DIY repairs on PCs & cars?  No one is stopping you. 
But trying to call everyone else a fool because they've not made the 
same choices you have is what's inappropriate.  Particularly for anyone 
who's ever paid someone to prepare a meal instead of making it themselves.


> In how many different ways have I pointed to this fact? Blows my mind.

As many as you think you'll have to, in order to keep deflecting from 
the original "new vs new" cost comparison, and how PCs costs have come 
way down in price ... because this also includes the used ones which 
have also become cheaper over the years too.


-hh