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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: battery fire
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 23:49:27 +0100
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On 1/17/25 23:12, john larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 20:58:41 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/17/25 18:49, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 07:03:06 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://sfstandard.com/2025/01/16/moss-landing-power-plant-fire-evacuations-highway-1/?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqEAgAKgcICjDWi6sLMNOWwwMwpvnXAw&utm_content=rundown
>>>>
>>>> Sounds expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Windmills, solar cells, batteries. May not be worth it long term.
>>>>
>>>> Luckily, the wind is not blowing the crud our way right now.
>>>
>>> Lithium technology really isn't up to the job. Someone needs to come
>>> up with a quantum leap forward in batteries. A fortune awaits the
>>> person or team which can deliver on this. And I mean a *fortune*.
>>
>> It's funny how 'quantum leap' has come to be taken for a
>> huge change, although it originally really meant the tiniest
>> possible change.
>>
>> High energy density batteries will always be dangerous.
>> It's the inevitable consequence of storing a lot of energy
>> in a small package. A tank full of fuel is really much
>> safer. What we really need is an efficient flow battery,
>> where reactive components are kept apart until needed.
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
> 
> Natural gas is great stuff. Burns clean with half the CO2 of coal.
> 
> It's easy to store locally, and the pipelines store more. And there's
> gobs underground and people keep finding more.
> 
> Small-scale NG power plants are practical and reliable and elimniate
> gigantic transmission lines and battery banks.
> 
> But 2:1 isn't acceptable to greenies. Let them freeze in the dark
> unemployed for a while and maybe they will reconsider.

Sigh. Indeed.

Jeroen Belleman