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From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 16:50:50 -0600
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On 1/17/25 2:57 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 1/17/25 3:04 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 1/16/25 9:40 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> On 1/16/25 5:56 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/25 3:34 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>> but $25K today buys a new Civic or another "budget" car.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> $25K car is a "budget" car these days? Hehe :-)
>>>
>>> New car, just like how the conversation was originally about new PCs.
>>>
>>>
>>> And yes, 'budget' in the context of new car prices, since Edmunds' 
>>> 3Q24 report found that the average new car in the USA cost $47,542.
>>>
>>> And FYI, average used car price was $27,177.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The last car I bought is a Toyota Echo 2002, in 2017, for $1600. 
>>>
>>> Bully for you.  Did it include a radio?  My first car didn't.
>>
>>  From today's craigslist:
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris- 
>> hatchback/7815953954.html
>>
>> 2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 
>> 20 minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem 
>> with my Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
>>
>> A used car is worth, and priced, between $1500 to $2000. Anything 
>> above that is a rip off. A computer is worth between $70 and $80.
>>
>> And at the bottom of it, ANY car above $2000 and ANY computer above 
>> $80 is a rip off. New or used. That's my main point.  You guys have 
>> bad habits.
> 
> If something really is a "ripoff" depends on many more factors than 
> merely if it minimally meets your personal transportation needs.
> 
> For example, when someone isn't personally handy with doing DIY roadside 
> repairs, how does that change selection criteria?  Ditto for other 
> factors, such as to reliably arriving at work on time.  Or driving 
> through remote regions without being stranded, or even just though 
> unsafe urban neighborhoods.  Plus seating for how many passengers?  Need 
> heat?  Snow tires?  Or summer A/C?  Handicapped?  There's a wide variety 
> of what constitutes "good enough" transportation across a population.
> 
> And sure, one can keep a car running forever with enough maintenance, 
> but that's not free, nor constant per mile:  as costs change and 
> accumulate, there's a cost-benefit trade-off decision for where 
> vehicular replacement can become the more fiscally prudent choice than 
> the sum of various maintenance costs (including time spent) to keep the 
> old Yaris on the road vs junking it and getting another one.
> 
> Likewise, you can also choose to go buy another used vehicle with its 
> unknown history/reliability and spend whatever time & money again to 
> make it sufficiently reliable/etc ... but it again comes back to the 
> question of if that's how you want to spend your time vs pursuit of 
> other endeavors/interests.
> 
> 
>> You guys have bad habits. You're like those psycho Shoe freaks. Or 
>> those who lose their savings buying stocks that aren't worth what 
>> they're paying for. You don't know what you're doing, and others 
>> smarter than you, or rather are simply healthy in mind, are taking 
>> advantage of that.
> 
> Not at all, for much of the point here is that everything can be 
> simplified down to a "Make, or Buy" kind of decision point:  want to 
> keep on making your DIY repairs on PCs & cars?  No one is stopping you. 
> But trying to call everyone else a fool because they've not made the 
> same choices you have is what's inappropriate.  Particularly for anyone 
> who's ever paid someone to prepare a meal instead of making it themselves.
> 
> 
>> In how many different ways have I pointed to this fact? Blows my mind.
> 
> As many as you think you'll have to, in order to keep deflecting from 
> the original "new vs new" cost comparison, and how PCs costs have come 
> way down in price ... because this also includes the used ones which 
> have also become cheaper over the years too.
> 
> 
> -hh


With some people I have to exaggerate to show my point.

Movies do that too, by the way. The movie "American Psycho" tried to 
depict the same type of people that I said have bad habits.

I remember one scene where a guy killed someone with an axe cause the 
latter's business card looked better than his.

Some of you kill others to solve it. Some pay $80k for an automobile! I 
know what drives you.