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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 21:52:09 -0500
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On 1/17/25 5:50 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 1/17/25 2:57 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/17/25 3:04 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 1/16/25 9:40 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/25 5:56 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>> On 1/16/25 3:34 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> but $25K today buys a new Civic or another "budget" car.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $25K car is a "budget" car these days? Hehe :-)
>>>>
>>>> New car, just like how the conversation was originally about new PCs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yes, 'budget' in the context of new car prices, since Edmunds' 
>>>> 3Q24 report found that the average new car in the USA cost $47,542.
>>>>
>>>> And FYI, average used car price was $27,177.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The last car I bought is a Toyota Echo 2002, in 2017, for $1600. 
>>>>
>>>> Bully for you.  Did it include a radio?  My first car didn't.
>>>
>>>  From today's craigslist:
>>>
>>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris- 
>>> hatchback/7815953954.html
>>>
>>> 2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 
>>> 20 minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem 
>>> with my Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
>>>
>>> A used car is worth, and priced, between $1500 to $2000. Anything 
>>> above that is a rip off. A computer is worth between $70 and $80.
>>>
>>> And at the bottom of it, ANY car above $2000 and ANY computer above 
>>> $80 is a rip off. New or used. That's my main point.  You guys have 
>>> bad habits.
>>
>> If something really is a "ripoff" depends on many more factors than 
>> merely if it minimally meets your personal transportation needs.
>>
>> For example, when someone isn't personally handy with doing DIY 
>> roadside repairs, how does that change selection criteria?  Ditto for 
>> other factors, such as to reliably arriving at work on time.  Or 
>> driving through remote regions without being stranded, or even just 
>> though unsafe urban neighborhoods.  Plus seating for how many 
>> passengers?  Need heat?  Snow tires?  Or summer A/C?  Handicapped?  
>> There's a wide variety of what constitutes "good enough" 
>> transportation across a population.
>>
>> And sure, one can keep a car running forever with enough maintenance, 
>> but that's not free, nor constant per mile:  as costs change and 
>> accumulate, there's a cost-benefit trade-off decision for where 
>> vehicular replacement can become the more fiscally prudent choice than 
>> the sum of various maintenance costs (including time spent) to keep 
>> the old Yaris on the road vs junking it and getting another one.
>>
>> Likewise, you can also choose to go buy another used vehicle with its 
>> unknown history/reliability and spend whatever time & money again to 
>> make it sufficiently reliable/etc ... but it again comes back to the 
>> question of if that's how you want to spend your time vs pursuit of 
>> other endeavors/interests.
>>
>>
>>> You guys have bad habits. You're like those psycho Shoe freaks. Or 
>>> those who lose their savings buying stocks that aren't worth what 
>>> they're paying for. You don't know what you're doing, and others 
>>> smarter than you, or rather are simply healthy in mind, are taking 
>>> advantage of that.
>>
>> Not at all, for much of the point here is that everything can be 
>> simplified down to a "Make, or Buy" kind of decision point:  want to 
>> keep on making your DIY repairs on PCs & cars?  No one is stopping 
>> you. But trying to call everyone else a fool because they've not made 
>> the same choices you have is what's inappropriate.  Particularly for 
>> anyone who's ever paid someone to prepare a meal instead of making it 
>> themselves.
>>
>>
>>> In how many different ways have I pointed to this fact? Blows my mind.
>>
>> As many as you think you'll have to, in order to keep deflecting from 
>> the original "new vs new" cost comparison, and how PCs costs have come 
>> way down in price ... because this also includes the used ones which 
>> have also become cheaper over the years too.
>>
>>
>> -hh
> 
> 
> With some people I have to exaggerate to show my point.

Keep trying, for someday you just might be successful.


> ... Some pay $80k for an automobile! I know what drives you.

Depends on the use case, and its alternatives.  For example, what's the 
lifecycle difference of $80K for a ten year ride with no maintenance or 
repair costs versus buying a used beater for $2K annually which then 
requires putting in $6K/year worth of maintenance/repairs throughout?


-hh