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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 21:52:09 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 107 Message-ID: <vmf50q$d902$1@dont-email.me> References: <1VcgP.54962$XfF8.39289@fx04.iad> <vm1itg$1f1ma$3@dont-email.me> <vm40cl$21e8l$2@dont-email.me> <6h1bojt7kdp4d5euq0f78rtuvqpg7edc3e@4ax.com> <vm86er$2u8jo$1@dont-email.me> <cqlfoj93e6jvua3is08kbm6f9p32h8cl4a@4ax.com> <vm8o1d$313ov$1@dont-email.me> <d63goj9qcpdk1q2o6ah4r1sq5r776dfdb7@4ax.com> <vm976v$33jmh$1@dont-email.me> <vm9nn9$36us4$1@dont-email.me> <vma9mg$3d5vi$1@dont-email.me> <vmarak$3fd0d$3@dont-email.me> <vmbqro$3lkem$1@dont-email.me> <vmbu1k$3l86v$2@dont-email.me> <vmc2rf$3mmhi$1@dont-email.me> <vmcjff$3mpfr$2@dont-email.me> <vmd2ug$3v4of$1@dont-email.me> <vmeg75$68pk$2@dont-email.me> <vmemsa$8r34$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 03:52:11 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="338959a320eb50c2f56ca8a3a632bf73"; logging-data="435202"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+e6+WVa9grTlqSY+Bl0lA7rkBRlkhYwp4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:8/WlLnFKnDVX4ZxJFUUgqZ7ZdM0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vmemsa$8r34$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 6297 On 1/17/25 5:50 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 1/17/25 2:57 PM, -hh wrote: >> On 1/17/25 3:04 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>> On 1/16/25 9:40 PM, -hh wrote: >>>> On 1/16/25 5:56 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>> On 1/16/25 3:34 PM, -hh wrote: >>>>>> but $25K today buys a new Civic or another "budget" car. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> $25K car is a "budget" car these days? Hehe :-) >>>> >>>> New car, just like how the conversation was originally about new PCs. >>>> >>>> >>>> And yes, 'budget' in the context of new car prices, since Edmunds' >>>> 3Q24 report found that the average new car in the USA cost $47,542. >>>> >>>> And FYI, average used car price was $27,177. >>>> >>>> >>>>> The last car I bought is a Toyota Echo 2002, in 2017, for $1600. >>>> >>>> Bully for you. Did it include a radio? My first car didn't. >>> >>> From today's craigslist: >>> >>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris- >>> hatchback/7815953954.html >>> >>> 2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about >>> 20 minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem >>> with my Echo 2002, I would jump on this one. >>> >>> A used car is worth, and priced, between $1500 to $2000. Anything >>> above that is a rip off. A computer is worth between $70 and $80. >>> >>> And at the bottom of it, ANY car above $2000 and ANY computer above >>> $80 is a rip off. New or used. That's my main point. You guys have >>> bad habits. >> >> If something really is a "ripoff" depends on many more factors than >> merely if it minimally meets your personal transportation needs. >> >> For example, when someone isn't personally handy with doing DIY >> roadside repairs, how does that change selection criteria? Ditto for >> other factors, such as to reliably arriving at work on time. Or >> driving through remote regions without being stranded, or even just >> though unsafe urban neighborhoods. Plus seating for how many >> passengers? Need heat? Snow tires? Or summer A/C? Handicapped? >> There's a wide variety of what constitutes "good enough" >> transportation across a population. >> >> And sure, one can keep a car running forever with enough maintenance, >> but that's not free, nor constant per mile: as costs change and >> accumulate, there's a cost-benefit trade-off decision for where >> vehicular replacement can become the more fiscally prudent choice than >> the sum of various maintenance costs (including time spent) to keep >> the old Yaris on the road vs junking it and getting another one. >> >> Likewise, you can also choose to go buy another used vehicle with its >> unknown history/reliability and spend whatever time & money again to >> make it sufficiently reliable/etc ... but it again comes back to the >> question of if that's how you want to spend your time vs pursuit of >> other endeavors/interests. >> >> >>> You guys have bad habits. You're like those psycho Shoe freaks. Or >>> those who lose their savings buying stocks that aren't worth what >>> they're paying for. You don't know what you're doing, and others >>> smarter than you, or rather are simply healthy in mind, are taking >>> advantage of that. >> >> Not at all, for much of the point here is that everything can be >> simplified down to a "Make, or Buy" kind of decision point: want to >> keep on making your DIY repairs on PCs & cars? No one is stopping >> you. But trying to call everyone else a fool because they've not made >> the same choices you have is what's inappropriate. Particularly for >> anyone who's ever paid someone to prepare a meal instead of making it >> themselves. >> >> >>> In how many different ways have I pointed to this fact? Blows my mind. >> >> As many as you think you'll have to, in order to keep deflecting from >> the original "new vs new" cost comparison, and how PCs costs have come >> way down in price ... because this also includes the used ones which >> have also become cheaper over the years too. >> >> >> -hh > > > With some people I have to exaggerate to show my point. Keep trying, for someday you just might be successful. > ... Some pay $80k for an automobile! I know what drives you. Depends on the use case, and its alternatives. For example, what's the lifecycle difference of $80K for a ten year ride with no maintenance or repair costs versus buying a used beater for $2K annually which then requires putting in $6K/year worth of maintenance/repairs throughout? -hh