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Subject: Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 17:28:06 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-01-18, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2025 14:15:44 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 18 Jan 2025 08:02:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/17/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 22:01:41 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 07:47:48 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 13:18:48 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 08:25:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/17/2025 5:21 AM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 11:30:14 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:07:10 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 10:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 10:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, the reason that humans rose to our place on the food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chain is because of our individualistic need to better ourselves and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your rabid individualism has obviously stunted your education. Don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect that many will value your totally uneducated opinions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interpretation varies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Tricycle has a point, and a very good one at that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest a test. Put Mr. Tricycle out in the wilderness all alone. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> predict he won't better himself or his situation. In fact, I predict he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't survive long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, human beings working cooperatively have built entire civilizations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your argument sounds so logical... until one actually work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> primitive people, the ones the trike man is talking about. And yes I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have worked with this sort of people. In one case we had to call in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Indonesian military to stop a "war" between two villagers over who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would keep a worn out plastic tarpaulin. Hardly an example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "cooperatively".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, the military solution was to simplify get out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helicopter and immediately shoot one of the two fighters. Fight over.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> What faction were the "military" ? Nazis?
>>>>>>>>>>>> They murdered a citizen in cold blood and didn't solve the
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> And unless that "primitive person" was a baboon, his IQ was
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably equal to, or even superior to the "military's"***. Not having
>>>>>>>>>>>> access to a decent education doesn't make you stupid, it makes you
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant.
>>>>>>>>>>>> []'s
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> *** The military are notoriously stupid. Far more stupid than
>>>>>>>>>>>> the general population.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, their mission was to prevent a war and further
>>>>>>>>>>> slaughter.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sounded more like a scuffle between two men.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Best solution? Maybe not, but we were not the
>>>>>>>>>>> officer in the field that day.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I would have given each one half of the tarpaulin. One cuts.
>>>>>>>>>> the other chooses. And whoever does not agree gets shot in the knee.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Military === Stuuuupid.
>>>>>>>>>> []'s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But of course, if you are correct no one in S.America world be
>>>>>>>>> speaking Spanish or Portuguese, Adolf Hitler's party would rule
>>>>>>>>> Europe, the U.S. would still be a colony of G.B. and even more
>>>>>>>>> examples throughout the history of mankind.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>> I don't think our "military" had anything to do with our
>>>>>>>> independence. Our very gay prince had a hysterical fit and hollered he
>>>>>>>> didn't want to go home, and that was that.
>>>>>>>> As to Hitler, he was not a party type. He was more of a
>>>>>>>> military man. AKA Stuuuupid. Invading Russia in winter is not a good
>>>>>>>> idea....
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany
>>>>>>> starting on Sunday, 22 June 1941, during World War II.
>>>>>>> Is June winter?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Napoleon crossed into Russia in mid September. Same result 
>>>>>> as Stalingrad.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Winter comes, whether you like it or not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Indeed I the assumption that Russia would fold and the war would be over by
>>>>> time winter came around, was foolish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It did have some help in terms of materials with the convoys but Russia
>>>>> took on and won the majority of the German army without them the war
>>>>> outcome probably wouldn?t change but the how and the why and the length
>>>>> certainly would.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>> 
>>>> My old college history professor called it the iffy game. What would
>>>> have happened if the US hadn't known about the Japanese Naval force
>>>> heading to Midway? What would have happened if McClellan had chased
>>>> down Lee when he was retreating from the Battle of Antietam? What
>>>> would have happened at the Battle of the Bulge had the weather not
>>>> cleared and allowed supplies to be dropped in.
>>>> 
>>>> Wars seem to be won or lost as much on chance occurrences as on
>>>> strategic decisions and the strengths of opposing forces.
>>> 
>>> Battles maybe but not the outcome of the war, hence the sane Japanese and
>>> indeed German military trying persuade their political masters to either
>>> delay or not start the war, Pearl harbour and its plan was because Japan
>>> couldn’t win the war, conventionally as American industrial capacity and
>>> oil reserves so Yamamoto hope was this would bring America to the
>>> negotiations table.
>>> 
>>> Midway absolutely shortened the war but not the result.
>> 
>> Iffy....
>> 
>>> Where some strategies/training that differences  where in American’s favour
>>> such damage control being crew wide basic training, so that US ships
>>> surviving damage that would of sunk the equivalent Japanese ships due to
>>> much better and damage control, though as cheeky note, the British carriers
>>> tended to shrug off due to having armoured deck and belt, though this makes
>>> other compromises.
>> 
>>> The other being actively conserving skilled and experienced flight crew,
>>> hence the “The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot” as by then japan had lost its
>>> experienced pilots, and a technical edge ie the US planes improved quite
>>> significantly, in contrast to the Japanese aircraft.
>> 
>> The Zero was a very good fighter airplane, but the US fighters were
>> better able to deal with damage. 
>
> At the start of the war yes, by the end it was outclassed mainly with the
> by then limited engine power.
>> 
>>> Japan would have always reached that point but by not actively working to
>>> keep skilled pilots and that knowledge alive it came sooner, than later.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>>> 
>> 
>> You're suggesting that neither Germany and Japan never had a chance.
>> I'm not so sure that's true, but we'll never know for sure.
>
> Yamamoto absolutely believed that Japan couldn’t win, that American
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