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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 18:38:23 -0600
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On 1/19/2025 5:11 PM, Shadow wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 13:51:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/19/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:39:05 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2025 11:19 AM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 08:26:11 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2025 5:36 AM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 10:02:17 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 22:01:41 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 07:47:48 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 13:18:48 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 08:25:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/17/2025 5:21 AM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 11:30:14 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:07:10 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 10:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2025 10:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, the reason that humans rose to our place on the food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chain is because of our individualistic need to better ourselves and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your rabid individualism has obviously stunted your education. Don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect that many will value your totally uneducated opinions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interpretation varies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Tricycle has a point, and a very good one at that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest a test. Put Mr. Tricycle out in the wilderness all alone. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> predict he won't better himself or his situation. In fact, I predict he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't survive long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, human beings working cooperatively have built entire civilizations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your argument sounds so logical... until one actually work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> primitive people, the ones the trike man is talking about. And yes I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have worked with this sort of people. In one case we had to call in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Indonesian military to stop a "war" between two villagers over who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would keep a worn out plastic tarpaulin. Hardly an example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "cooperatively".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, the military solution was to simplify get out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helicopter and immediately shoot one of the two fighters. Fight over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	What faction were the "military" ? Nazis?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	They murdered a citizen in cold blood and didn't solve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	And unless that "primitive person" was a baboon, his IQ was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably equal to, or even superior to the "military's"***. Not having
>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to a decent education doesn't make you stupid, it makes you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	[]'s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	*** The military are notoriously stupid. Far more stupid than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the general population.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, their mission was to prevent a war and further
>>>>>>>>>>>> slaughter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 	Sounded more like a scuffle between two men.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best solution? Maybe not, but we were not the
>>>>>>>>>>>> officer in the field that day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I would have given each one half of the tarpaulin. One cuts.
>>>>>>>>>>> the other chooses. And whoever does not agree gets shot in the knee.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 	Military === Stuuuupid.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	[]'s
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But of course, if you are correct no one in S.America world be
>>>>>>>>>> speaking Spanish or Portuguese, Adolf Hitler's party would rule
>>>>>>>>>> Europe, the U.S. would still be a colony of G.B. and even more
>>>>>>>>>> examples throughout the history of mankind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 	LOL.
>>>>>>>>> 	I don't think our "military" had anything to do with our
>>>>>>>>> independence. Our very gay prince had a hysterical fit and hollered he
>>>>>>>>> didn't want to go home, and that was that.
>>>>>>>>> 	As to Hitler, he was not a party type. He was more of a
>>>>>>>>> military man. AKA Stuuuupid. Invading Russia in winter is not a good
>>>>>>>>> idea....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany
>>>>>>>> starting on Sunday, 22 June 1941, during World War II.
>>>>>>>> Is June winter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	It was outsourced to "independent defense contractors".  They
>>>>>>> probably hired some South American paramilitary group. It's winter in
>>>>>>> June here, must have come as a surprise when they landed in Russia
>>>>>>> 	If Hitler had just spent the loans he got from American and
>>>>>>> European bankers on Healthcare and Education he'd probably be a hero
>>>>>>> today and Germany wouldn't be in the mess it is.
>>>>>>> 	Well, I suppose he is a hero to some people.... both Bolsonaro
>>>>>>> and Trump seem to love him.
>>>>>>> 	[]'s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile in the actual world, a Brasilian division
>>>>>> acquitted themselves very well in Italy, 1944, supporting
>>>>>> Mark Clark's campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> 	LOL. How many of them were actually military officers... IOW
>>>>> career personnel?
>>>>> 	[]'s
>>>>
>>>> They didn't just roll up afterwards for tea and medals.
>>>>
>>>> Brasil sent 1st Infantry, a well trained full (25,000)
>>>> division and they were very accomplished, with some notable
>>>> victories showing tenacity and valor under fire.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.historynet.com/brazilian-soldiers-wwii/
>>>>
>>>> “Frankly, you Brazilians are either crazy or very brave,”
>>>> one German officer told a captured Brazilian. “I never saw
>>>> anyone advance against machine guns and well-defended
>>>> positions with such disregard for life.…You are devils.”
>>>>
>>>> "Bowing to the inevitable, Fretter-Pico agreed to
>>>> unconditionally surrender his entire command, a process that
>>>> took some 20 hours. Finally, at 6 p.m. on April 30 the
>>>> German commander presented himself to Mascarenhas,
>>>> completing the surrender. The FEB had taken almost 15,000
>>>> German and Italian prisoners, as well as more than 4,000
>>>> horses, 1,500 vehicles and 80 guns. It marked the only time
>>>> amid combat during the Italian campaign a German division
>>>> surrendered intact."
>>>>
>>>> I did not know anything about them until reading this
>>>> excellent history recently:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.alibris.com/The-Savage-Storm-The-Battle-for-Italy-1943-James-Holland/book/53044568?matches=37
>>>
>>> <https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%A7a_Expedicion%C3%A1ria_Brasileira>
>>>
>>> 	ALL the Brazilian soldiers were drafted, and received very
>>> little training and no salaries. Command was conceded to the US, our
>>> soldiers took their orders directly from them, our "official" Officers
>>> preferred to stay home. They did go to receive medals  for "bravery"
>>> after the fighting had stopped.....
>>>
>>> 	Of the 26.000 soldiers sent over, 2000 died, and > 10.000 were
>>> mutilated. No officers died in Europe(a couple died joyriding aircraft
>>> in Brazil and another couple using ships for tourism off the African
>>> coast but none were in combat).
>>>
>>> 	If your book is good, look up the casualties amongst Brazilian
>>> officers.
>>> 	[]'s
>>>
>>> 	PS The soldiers that were incapacitated and otherwise injured
>>> during the war FINALLY got compensation and got pensions in 1988. Our
>>> armed forced did not consider them to be worthy. Even funnier, the
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