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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 21:10:54 -0500
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On 1/19/25 8:28 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> And when was this, for the question still remains unanswered:
>>>>
>>>> "When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?"
>>>
>>> At 10's release, it had 7 and 8/8.1, then 7 again, then 10, then
>>> Linux.
>>
>> Meaning that it predated Win10's 2015 release date,
> 
> 
> It was two years old for W8 upgrade ($40 for Pro).

Windows 8 came out in 2012, so this was then a 2010 purchase.
Which also then means your CoVid stimulus check PC was +10 years later.

Ergo:

"...so you did get roughly ten (10) years life out of that legacy 
hardware, as per what DFS was saying."


> It got whatever Windows 8.1 was supported for*, 10 became poor (2019).
> 
> * Jan. 10, 2023, 12 years after initial build

Which is even better than a 10 year useful service life.


>>>>> M$ has disowned numerous computers.
>>>>
>>>> By almost as much as you've avoided answering this simple question.
>>>
>>> Win10 would make this PC golden, but support is dropped.
>>
>> Support hasn't been dropped yet.
> 
> I need something less on its deathbed.

For a mid-2020 planned purchase, this was already after MS had made 
their announcement in 2019 that Win10 was to be replaced. MS had been 
pushing TPM 2.0 since at least 2015 (Win8), so that's an obvious 
hardware requirement, plus whatever other else was already known or 
likely for Windows-after-10:  its the 'Caveat Emptor' for DIY'ers.


>>   MS has extended claimed EOL's in the
>> past and could easily do so again.
> 
> 
> There will be paid extended support for security fixes.  But it's
> clinging.

Yes, paying is an option too.  Thanks for adding it to the list.

>> Plus Win10 currently has a 62.7% usage share of all Windows OS systems,
>> and it doesn't seem all that likely that its usage is going to drop fast
>> enough to make it an insignificant percentage by October 2025
>>
>> <https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide>
>>
>> Plus even if an OEM's official support has ended, there's nothing which
>> prevents you from just continuing to run a legacy OS.  Case in point, 3%
>> of Windows usage share is of pre-Win10 OS's (XP/7/8/etc) still in use.
> 
> Microsoft doesn't understand the reluctance to use Linux.

The slow rate of uptake of Win11 over the past three years isn't really 
a problem per se - its just verification that the hardware replacement 
cycle really has slowed by as much as what DFS was indicating.

FYI, my desktop didn't come with Win11, but its handling it fine; YMMV 
if its because I did better research before purchasing than you did, or 
perhaps it was that your PC never was actually 'broken', etc.


-hh