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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: systemd (Subject line fixed as a public service) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 17:11:49 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <vmm04l$39smo$1@dont-email.me> References: <vjec09$1jpju$1@news.xmission.com> <vjeh88$23spl$1@dont-email.me> <vjfob3$2vfl9$4@dont-email.me> <vm6hd3$3dgbv$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vm6tm4$2klvb$2@dont-email.me> <vmbevs$3v6su$5@paganini.bofh.team> <vmbv2t$3m5re$3@dont-email.me> <slrnvoo233.j2u.jj@iridium.wf32df> <vml5go$31ah8$1@dont-email.me> <slrnvot0dr.jr2.jj@iridium.wf32df> Injection-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:11:50 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="814144b7c7b1a7e5b7bbd80827eada59"; logging-data="3470040"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18uHTFMLzaf8gYN6QJWHSK+" Cancel-Lock: sha1:v7nzKlLYDvasPjEaPWZ8MsrZLjo= Bytes: 2792 On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 17:02:51 -0000 (UTC) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wibbled: >On 2025-01-20, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:00:35 -0000 (UTC) >> Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wibbled: >>>On 2025-01-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rather that vendors can (an will) break compatibility when they want. >>>> >>>> But they cannot lock Open Source users into their product. >>>> >>>>> And actually systemd is an example of thing that users are essentially >>>>> forced to use regardless if they want it or not ... >>>> >>>> It is one of many choices of init/service-management systems. You have >>>> your choice of distros with or without it. >>> >>>Certainly for headless (no graphics) purposes, it is still comparatively >>>easy in Debian to replace systemd with the old sysv-init(or alternative >>>init) stuff. Though I'm not sure for how long that will be true. But you >don't >>>even need to switches distros. >> >> Where do you get all the /etc/rc* files from that init requires? >> > >Good call. I'd done an upgrade from the previous version of PiOS that >I'd switched from systemd to sysv-init. That upgrade (yes I know it's >not recommended, but it is possible) put systemd back, so when I did the >switch to sysv-init again, the startup files were still in situ! > >But they appear to be there as the package orphan-sysvinit-scripts > > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=orphan-sysvinit-scripts Good to know they're available but I wonder how long that'll last?