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From: Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org
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Subject: Re: systemd (Subject line fixed as a public service)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 17:11:49 -0000 (UTC)
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On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 17:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wibbled:
>On 2025-01-20, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:00:35 -0000 (UTC)
>> Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wibbled:
>>>On 2025-01-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rather that vendors can (an will) break compatibility when they want.
>>>>
>>>> But they cannot lock Open Source users into their product.
>>>>
>>>>> And actually systemd is an example of thing that users are essentially
>>>>> forced to use regardless if they want it or not ...
>>>>
>>>> It is one of many choices of init/service-management systems. You have 
>>>> your choice of distros with or without it.
>>>
>>>Certainly for headless (no graphics) purposes, it is still comparatively 
>>>easy in Debian to replace systemd with the old sysv-init(or alternative 
>>>init) stuff. Though I'm not sure for how long that will be true. But you
>don't
>>>even need to switches distros.
>>
>> Where do you get all the /etc/rc* files from that init requires?
>>
>
>Good call. I'd done an upgrade from the previous version of PiOS that 
>I'd switched from systemd to sysv-init. That upgrade (yes I know it's 
>not recommended, but it is possible) put systemd back, so when I did the 
>switch to sysv-init again, the startup files were still in situ!
>
>But they appear to be there as the package orphan-sysvinit-scripts
>
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=orphan-sysvinit-scripts

Good to know they're available but I wonder how long that'll last?