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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 11:47:45 -0600 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <vmm280$3a9ho$3@dont-email.me> References: <m6kjoj15n00g3rqv9dv5763u41c5tfkvi0@4ax.com> <5tekojdk9fqa6qd5fqa7ifqijb9fljc6mu@4ax.com> <vmdp98$2grp$7@dont-email.me> <th0lojpcp3jvifrn1hjtjnaeja3ujc81g4@4ax.com> <fotlojl7ng0blgd43i9btudr7jb9pcrkmi@4ax.com> <r2vloj14qpnch9baijfi2jdjgbiqphiusk@4ax.com> <c76moj9pir118p2octgp5bgjmlvlok7s62@4ax.com> <iv3nojdpttqjq9pbpkbrae1sjnnbtc72bf@4ax.com> <vmgdm3$t6c4$2@dont-email.me> <kucqoj5bfd8t7jtgl704g1uuih8usuauhu@4ax.com> <tlarojd01hm3jh12oc9jgtei9flaukuipa@4ax.com> <4q0toj50r1a3b6d3h6go7dr7vhrib3gaqt@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:47:54 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="474bd1fb35dd5b07d3064c7dbb3e0fea"; logging-data="3483192"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+5cNX4sogOtaaD7NP7jYWc" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:0SewnH3JQZ/GfxXjlA7ppcs+SIw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <4q0toj50r1a3b6d3h6go7dr7vhrib3gaqt@4ax.com> Bytes: 4160 On 1/20/2025 11:23 AM, Shadow wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 09:01:25 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> In any major war, WW 2 in this case, "career personnel" make up a very >> small percentage of military officers.. Simply because there is no >> need for great numbers in piece time so, prior to war few are trained. > > Brazil has far more senior officers than the US. Example: The > US has 43 4-star generals. Bolsonaro used them as office boys. > None of them ever fought an external enemy. > They retire when they're 50 with full pensions (their salary+a > promotion). > Also any wife or daughter of an officer is entitled to his > pension if he dies. They only lose it if they re-marry (in case of > daughters, marry). > I have some colleagues that never married because they make > over US $ 25.000 a month from their military pensions. Working as > doctors they make around US$ 5.000 tops. > >> >> As for, "Mean while in the actual world, a Brazilian division >> acquitted themselves very well", from what I read the Brazilian >> contingents "went to war" with the understand that the U.S.was to >> supply all arms and supplies, right down to their uniforms and that >> they would act under the control of U.S. forces commanders. > > Yes, the commanders were American. But clothing and food was > supposed to be supplied by the Brazilian military.... > They got the color of the uniforms wrong because the Brazilian > Military were fascists (still are) and thought they would be fighting > for Hitler. Hence Brazilian uniforms = German uniforms. > []'s I don't know about Field Grey vs Army Green Khaki for FEB uniforms. (you are probably right I just don't know). But the history of the period (1939 until the force was dispatched) doesn't support any confusion about which side they allied: "Although Brazil broke off diplomatic relations with Germany following that nation’s declaration of war against the United States, federal officials in Rio did not immediately declare war on the Nazi regime in Berlin. Adolf Hitler initially waffled over a plan to attack shipping along the Brazilian coast, fearing Brazil, Argentina and Chile would ally with the United States. Ultimately, however, the Führer did order his submarine force on the offensive. The U-boats sank at least a half dozen Brazilian ships, galvanizing its populace, which demanded vengeance. Thus Brazil declared war on Germany on Aug. 22, 1942." https://www.historynet.com/brazilian-soldiers-wwii/ -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971