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On 1/20/2025 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/19/2025 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/19/2025 7:42 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/19/2025 5:33 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>>  ANYONE can place an entry into wikipedia. That's why he likes it. 
>>>> That way he gets stupid answers for stupid questions.
>>>
>>> Well, not everyone.
>>>
>>> The Wiki propaganda censors blocked Jobst Brandt, an experienced and 
>>> licensed engineer who had direct experience in the subject area. Oh, 
>>> and Mr Brandt was factually correct in his criticism.
>>
>> Can you remind us of the details?
>>
>>
>>
> Their entry for Ducati desdromatic valves was factually incorrect. Mr 
> Brandt edited the item. His edits were removed and when he protested, 
> using actual facts, he was banned.
> 
> All that in rich detail is or was in RBT archives.
> 

Reviewing the talk pages as well as the historical comparisons between 
edits, Jobst wrote several paragraphs which - while they may have been 
factually correct - were not given citations for making such factual 
claims as Wikipedia requires. In fact the edit in which Jobst was asked 
to cite a reference was actually edited by another user to include the 
citation they were requesting:

"Rivola, A., et al: "Modelling the Elastodynamic Behaviour of a 
Desmodromic Valve Train", ''Proceedings of SMA2002 International 
Conference on Noise & Vibration Engineering'',16-18 September, 2002 - 
Leuven, Belgium"

More to the point was that Jobst entered dubious and inflammatory 
remarks in is edits:

"As analytic methods came into use, valve adjustment, hydraulic tappets, 
push rods, rocker arms and valve float became largely a thing of the 
past, making desmodromic valve drive a cumbersome engineering relic."

and

"sometimes investment in an idea causes mental blindeness."

While Jobst made the comment in the Talk page that he added references, 
no such edits are shown in the historical comparisons. (NOTE: the 
historical references are maintained by the system, much like old RBT 
discussions are archived and cannot be edited. You can pull up the page 
as submitted by Jobst merely by clicking on the link. Here; let me help 
you out: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Desmodromic_valve&oldid=103226759).

There's no evidence that Jobst was banned, as such actions are made by 
Wikipedia editors (not users) and are specifically listed in the talk page.

As usual, the right wing claims of bias and propaganda against wikipedia 
are couched in the demand for factual references rather than allowing 
simple claims.

Essentially, it come to the fact that the vast majority of those making 
claims of left-wing bias in the media simply don't like facts that 
contradict their world view and would rather allow laughable claims such 
as 'there was no poverty or feminism before Obama' to go unchallenged as 
fact.