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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl> Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish Subject: Re: The Rabbis put the entire Nation of Israel at grave risk. Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 11:47:11 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 73 Message-ID: <vmo1fv$1qup$1@dont-email.me> References: <vm8kk1$30i9m$1@dont-email.me> <vman82$3f6v7$1@dont-email.me> <vmdlae$2akm$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 12:47:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2cb6be358d558143379bcd1e084c6a47"; logging-data="60377"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19HqwU2bZ1gX9keaXbhGyyD" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:FPO/50DhbWpU4NRtuRzzDsPNYyA= Bytes: 4994 >>> link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1GU6dJ8diKI >>> title: Connecting to Hashem | Rabbi Shepherd's purpose towards NON-JEWS >>> "I Have Met Many Moshiach Seeking Redemption Through Different Paths >>> source: @KingDavidKabbalah Surprisingly the Rabbi (or at least this channel), plussed and gave a heart to the first comment. I wonder if the Redemption just started, but we shall see ... Reply ... Hello again, sorry I replied before my turn already. I have debated these issues since 2008 and never get any replies whatsoever, so I already assumed the worst again. Sorry about that, because I see you have plussed my comment, which is quite surprising. Anyway, I hope than that you agree with Moshe Rabbeinu: the loan is nullified in the 7th year, for the poor brother Jew who cannot reasonably repay. There are no ways around it, and there should not be. The poor need their help and solidarity. The rich need to be toned down sometimes and stop being too greedy. Prozbul is invalid, and with it the Shulchan Aruch becomes _non kosher_ and I-don't-know-how-many other Rabbinical books and sources unfortunately also become invalidated or at least until they are cleaned up. I suggest we start on this right now. It may be interesting to know (if you do not) that it is apparently said somewhere, that after the Redemption the rulings will go to the house of Shammai, away from Hillel that is. Another interesting aspects is with the Islam, who takes a severe issue with Jewish loan policies. Whatever of this may be, the Islam is all around Israel. Islam will then also be a bit friendlier to the Jewish people, hopefully. To go to the next topic then, Jubilee, the right to land. I was already imagining a whole explanation of why people need the right to land (but maybe you already know why), arguing how value is created from work and everyone needs land as a starting point¹. The Earth is not make by humans, and therefore it doesn't work in a trading system. Selling the land _in perpetuity_ centralizes the control over land, creating a society at war with itself. Rambam writes in Shemita 10:8 that when the 2 tribes left the Jubilee stopped, but seems to argue that this was correct. I want to argue that this was _not_ correct, they (neither of them) had the right to stop the Jubilee, the return of the land. Rambam says that "all of Israel needs to be in the land" but that is not what the Torah says there. The Torah says, the Jubilee needs to be proclaimed to all the inhabitants. There seems to be an obvious reason for that: people need to know, so they can reclaim their land. It is easy to forget something which happens every 50th year, especially when it involves reclaiming land which is profitable to someone else. Rambam is hence wrong. This means Rambam is _not kosher_ (!). I realize what this means, but truth is truth. There is no Redemption without people having their right to land honored. It just doesn't work, such an economy is a failure. We see these failed economies now all over the world, and it causes war, as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The rich want even more, and they want to give the poor something to do and get rid of them, when the poor grow restless, which they will when things go too far for them, which is the natural consequences of markets in land. The Torah is clear and good. Israel messed it up and went into exile for it. Let's get back to the truth, create the Redemption, and we can all live happy ever after hopefully (God willing). Have a good week & thanks for your interest. * End reply. Notes. 1. I wanted to write that now there was no space in the comment box anymore due to ranting about the prozbul already, but forgot to add that statement. -- Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models, with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl