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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: People Without Meaningful Lives Seek Power Over Others
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 16:06:29 -0500
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On 1/21/2025 3:36 PM, Shadow wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 12:18:34 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 09:27:10 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 01:06:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do we need to make the point that you hide your identity
>>>
>>> 	This is Usenet. Usenet was DESIGNED to be anonymous. In fact
>>> people are advised to NEVER post anything that might identify them.
>>> 	It was the reason why Google spent billions buying the
>>> dejanews archives and then hid them. An attempt to kill Usenet. It
>>> didn't work.
>>> 	If you really believe in freedom, NEVER ask anyone on Usenet
>>> to identify themselves.
>>> 	[]'s
>>
>> That's not the exactly what happened.  When the Internet was
>> contrived, it was essentially an academic research network.  Many
>> systems didn't have password and some prominent users (Richard
>> Stallman) refused to use passwords on his publicly accessible systems.
>> That was fine as long as academia ruled the Internet, but fell apart
>> as companies and corporation started connecting to the Internet.
>> Management of these companies insisted that nothing company related
>> would appear on the Internet which included the personal opinions of
>> the user.  Also, no business or financial transactions were allowed.
>> As the Internet grew, enforcing that became increasingly difficult.
>> The only way around this was for users to obscure their identities so
>> management couldn't determine who was writing bad things about their
>> company management or products.  That soon morphed into the right to
>> "privacy" which really meant that right to post almost anything about
>> someone on the Internet without fear of retaliation.  There were
>> attempts to prosecute individuals for libel, but that failed badly.
>>
>> Google didn't buy Deja News because they wanted to suppress free
>> speech.  They bought it because Usenet was growing far too fast for
>> the founders to be able to store everything (especially binaries) and
>> because there was no easy way to monetize Usenet News.  By 2001, Deja
>> News was out of money and was forced to shutdown.  Google then offered
>> to rescue Deja News by buying the company and inheriting the archive.
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups#Google_Groups>
>> Google had no idea what to do with Deja News.  After Google merged
>> Deja News and Google Groups, it sat essentially dormant as Google
>> considered various ways of making money from the transaction, but
>> found nothing.  Eventually, web forums, blogs, social media and
>> specialty sites replaced Google Groups.  Usenet is still around, but
>> the bulk of the users have moved to other services.
> 
> 	Meh ... Google bought Dejanews to close down Usenet. The
> amount of computational power they use to profile users today is
> thousands, maybe millions times larger than what is necessary to keep
> those historic records accessible to everyone.
> 
> 	And coincidence, on the 20th January 2025 onwards any citizen
> in the World has to identify himself to use Google Search. Trump in,
> anonymity out.
> 	[]'s
> 
> 	PS If you type in https://www.google.com and are NOT greeted
> with a message that you need to allow invasive scripting, Google
> already knows who you are.

That may be the reality in Brasil, but in the US it's entirely possible 
to use a publicly shared computer and not have to identify yourself to 
Google.

> 	


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