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From: Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net>
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Subject: Re: Paradoxes
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 19:07:33 -0800
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On 1/20/25 1:47 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 07:02:11 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 19/01/2025 11:00 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
> 
> […]
> 
>>>> Perhaps I need to extend/clarify my position to something like this:
>>>
>>> You are still not addressing my question. Let's make it simple for
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Your comments above and elsewhere suggest that you regard acceptance
>>> of OOL through natural process as equating to a rejection of God. Is
>>> that a fair summary of your position, yes or no?
>>
>> No.
> 
> Why then are you so anxious to make them exclusive to each other?
> There is nothing in stop anyone *right now* investigating direct
> intervention by God in OOL, why should they have to wait until science
> runs out of steam?
> 
> 
>>
>> As I say following, this acceptance is also compatible with what I'm
>> calling "undetectable theism" (with respect to OoL). In other words, I'm
>> explicitly NOT excluding belief in God.
> 
> The reason intervention is undetectable is either (a) it's
> non-existent or (b) the intervention exists but we are unable to
> detect it. You seem to favour (b) but the problem is that you have not
> suggested any way in which we might be able to detect it. Until you or
> someone else does so, science will treat it as entirely natural
> processes because whilst they don't have *all* the answers, the things
> they can figure out all point in that direction.

There's a third option, one which I believe is fairly commonplace:
The intervention exists and is detected routinely. Our mistake is not to 
associate those "natural" processes with God.

-- 
Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell