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From: Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
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Subject: Re: People Without Meaningful Lives Seek Power Over Others
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 10:11:12 +0100
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Am 21.01.2025 um 19:11 schrieb AMuzi:
> On 1/21/2025 12:00 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 1/21/2025 12:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2025 10:46 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/21/2025 10:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/21/2025 5:09 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed lots of stuff has to a extent a view point, sort of related 
>>>>>> saw that
>>>>>> as New York is apparently going to have a congestion charge, some 
>>>>>> news
>>>>>> outlets have been looking at London’s which is now 20+ years old, 
>>>>>> and by
>>>>>> any measure has worked and worked well ie cut numbers and made the 
>>>>>> air
>>>>>> cleaner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the news reports are hilariously biased ie trying to find 
>>>>>> anyone who
>>>>>> will say it’s bad!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [raises hand] I will.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>
>>> General defense of liberty.
>>> 'too many cars'??  Who decides that?
>>> 'this car, but not that car' ? Who decides that?
>>
>> So, you should be able to go wherever you want to go using any 
>> transportation medium of your choice for free?
>>
>> That's a bit of a twist on libertarian philosophy.
>>
> You're welcome to your opinion and neither you nor I get a vote on this.
> 
> Aside from general punishment of the citizenry,  cabbies now have a higher break-even every day, 

But the toll reduces the relative difference between the cab fare and 
driving yourself, so the toll might increase the cab business (the 
difference between $1 and $10 feels bigger than the difference between 
$1+9 = $10 and $10+9 = $19).

 > deliveries cost more to all businesses,

As the tax hits all businesses in the city toll zone, they can raise 
prices without losing sales.  The toll hits the citizenry rather than 
the businesses.

> businesses below 59th Street have less customer traffic.

Given that the "City toll zone" is large enough, the net customer impact 
on businesses is likely to be small:
For everybody from 62nd street who used to drive to 56th stret for his 
shopping there is likley to be one from 56th street who used to drive to 
62nd street for his shopping.