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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 06:44:57 -0500
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On 1/21/2025 5:56 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>> Am 20 Jan 2025 18:39:14 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
>>
>>
>>> MTB frame’s are quite a bit more designed this century some of which coming
>>> from the rise of full suspension, but also designing the bike for its
>>> intended use.
>>
>> I don't really care, because we didn't take part in the flight from the
>> roads to “infrastructure” or forest and gravel paths, which was
>> propagated from all sides of the spectrum, over the past decades.
>>
> That was never a use case for MTB’s particularly or rather bit or a lot
> overkill for its use.
> 
> One of the reasons Gravel bikes took off such bikes are fun on such stuff
> and roads rather than being a slog/magic carpet ride.
> 
> MTB shine even XC bikes when it gets much more technical, than just forrest
> trails, be that tyres which have grown to 2.4/2.6 from 2.1 suspension and
> geometry of the bike which alters the bike and the rider position and
> performance, XC bikes have for example had to become more technical as the
> races courses became much more technical older MTB endurance races and even
> world cub races.
> 
> Hence some of the older Americans ones having folks experiment with
> “Monster Cross” bikes ie putting a drop bar on the MTB.
> 
> See Dylan Johnson and his experiments with some of the older American MTB
> races which if started today would absolutely be a Gravel race!
> 
> <https://www.mtbr.com/threads/dylan-johnson’s-drop-bar-mountain-bike.1226941/>

I built up my old Giant XTC MTB hardtail into a gravel bike last winter. 
It was an experiment to see a) if I thought it was worthwhile for more 
investment and b) to get out as cheaply as possible using parts I 
already had.

https://www.strava.com/activities/11234247975

The biggest issue is that the top tube on MTBs back then was generally 
longer. The bike as shown has the shortest stem I had at the time, which 
also unfortunately has a 12 degree rise. I've since replaced it with a 
shorty 20mm 0 rise.(I like the lower 'racing' position). It rides 
significantly better with the short stem.

It of course designed for 26" wheels, so I picked up some long-reach 
calipers that could accommodate one of my CX 700C wheelsets.

With the discount Micro-shift drivetrain, new stem, and long-reach 
brakes, I got it to a point where it's a nice-riding bike for ~ $300. 
It's relatively light, and the XTC design is very light, and quick.

Unfortunately, I haven't had much opportunity to ride it much since I 
'finished' it.


> 
>> In this respect, we have also stuck with the classic frame shapes,
>> diamond frames, Mixte or Anglais, without suspension.  I don't need the
>> slightly lowered top tube at the back, but sometimes I find it quite
>> practical.
>>
>> Carbon frames are a different story.  I have more experience with metal,
>> so I stuck with aluminum and then titanium for the frames.
>>
> Roger Merriman
> 
>