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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: like butta Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 03:43:03 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vmsds7$1bj14$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 04:43:11 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3bf575e1bc33154ac6030fe141a6164c"; logging-data="1428516"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/fg/0tfv9Zn6RK4YKhDMW4" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7vfWNn/JdQM2921W6ncFPbRr6eM= sha1:TEPptEsupmin3Fx9dGMpWOVQnkc= Bytes: 2608 Simon and I are working on a TDR based soil moisture sensor for agriculture. Like many such things, it uses two parallel tines made of 18/8 stainless, that form a balanced transmission line. Ours has a slide hammer for pounding it into really difficult soil, e.g. hardpan. The measured shock from that is around 1.6E5 m/s**2, i.e. 16000 gees, and over its lifetime it might see around 1E6 blows. Challenging. Doing <200 ps TDR on a balanced line obviously needs a very wideband balun. We’re using a plain ferrite design based on Ferroxcube 61 sleeves on 1.25mm coax. The resulting 50-Ω differential mode goes into a machined tapered structure that maintains 50 ohms while spreading out the mode to match the 25-mm tine spacing. For survivability, the whole thing is being potted in very hard epoxy with a dielectric constant of 3.5ish. This means that it’s hard to iterate—we get one try per apparatus. Sooooo, I tried making a soft material with that epsilon, which turns out to be nontrivial. My initial thought was to use alumina lapping powder (9.3) for filler and vaseline (2.0) for the matrix, but it turned into clumps by the time it got to 3.0. Casting about for alternatives, I remembered the butter in the lab fridge, so I measured that: 3.8, better than good enough. We were able to verify the design without doing anything irrevocable, and there was some left over for the bagels. Fun. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics