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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Bike tech idea for Jeff
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 19:42:52 -0600
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On 1/23/2025 7:38 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 17:17:40 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/23/2025 2:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 11:52:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2025 1:01 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>    
>>>>> The problem with one cable strand or a single loop is that it takes
>>>>> two people to operate.  One to load firewood at the bottom of the
>>>>> hill.  Another to unload the firewood at the top of the hill and throw
>>>>> it into a pile.  That's possible, but I'm trying to avoid solutions
>>>>> that require an extra person.
>>>>
>>>> That is a big problem. I've mentioned before doing work in the attic of
>>>> a friend's house, whose workshop and tools were in the basement-level
>>>> garage. I realized pretty soon that if I'd forgotten to bring up a 3
>>>> pound hammer, I had to lift almost 180 pounds up three stories. Most of
>>>> that load was me.
>>>
>>> It's called exercise.  I drag all of this:
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/MLGS2MyEcMCCwzMK9>
>>> up about 50 stairs, every winter (about 5 months).  My cardiologist
>>> claims that the exercise is all that keeps my alive.  (He says that
>>> it's the only thing I'm doing right and everything else I'm doing is
>>> all wrong).
>>>
>>>> Seems like we should invent a mechanism that would allow you to load the
>>>> wood into some sort of cable-suspended box, let the motor pull it up,
>>>> and have the box dump wood onto an upper porch or whatever in response
>>>> to a remote command. It sounds like an interesting challenge.
>>>
>>> It is interesting and I think about it often.  The hillside is uneven
>>> and a cable delivery system avoids the problem.  Additional
>>> complexications make it even more challenging.  However, as long as
>>> I'm (barely) able to haul the firewood up the hill, I won't be
>>> building anything to make it easier.  I really do need the exercise.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Does your stair have a railing? (if not, why not?)
> 
> The lower half of the stairs have handrails on both sides.  The upper
> part has no handrails.  Both parts need better guardrails which are
> currently not to code.  It's my fault because I'm lazy and cheap.  The
> lower part had better hand rails at one time, but had to be
> temporarily removed because of construction.  Part of that was
> providing clearance for a large crane being used to remove some huge
> Douglas Fir trees across the road:
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6Wu54S6FLfssG2c9>
> I'll add it to the "deferred maintenance" list of things to do
> eventually.
> 
>> A fairly simple monorail box with a section on either side
>> of the railing would do if you bring a light load per trip
>> and do that with each trip up to the house.
> 
> I sling of firewood is not a light load.  I just weighed it at 30 lbs.
> When green, it's about 40 lbs.  A monorail on one side could be made
> to work. With a 60 degree angle from horizontal angle, I would need to
> pull the box uphill at:
>    40 lb * sin(60) = 40 * 0.87 = 35 lbs.
> Better, but not really a major improvement.  Of course, if the
> monorail was almost horizontal, like a railroad grade, the force
> required for me to drag the box up the stairs would be much less.
> 
>> Simple stick type stop which would engage the balusters.
> 
> I'm not sure, but for outdoor stairs, I think the county now requires
> 2x2 square balusters with a wired cable down the middle and at least a
> 2x4 for hand rails.
> "Deck, Porch, Landing, Stair, Ramp, and Guard Construction"
> <https://cdi.santacruzcountyca.gov/Portals/35/CDI/UnifiedPermitCenter/Building/Forms%20&%20Publications/IB%20Publications/Deck%20Construction_IB900.pdf>
> I'll read through it (time permitting).
> 
>> Couple of rubber wheels from a hardware store and they ride
>> on axles which cross from one box to the other.
> 
> That won't go around corners very well.  Going up from the road at the
> bottom, to the deck and door at the top, I count five 90 degree turns.
> I negotiate these with some difficulty using various hand trucks.
> 

90 degree turns? Yikes!
That is indeed quite a problem for hauling firewood.

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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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