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From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Uncle Is Not Good With Money
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 20:40:07 -0800
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On 1/23/25 19:49, Anonymous wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 1/20/25 14:16, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/25 12:02, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>>> Bobbie Sellers  <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     First bomb out of the rack from Russia
>>>>>>> or its North Korean pal will result in a lot of
>>>>>>> unplanned Russian demolitions and NK would be
>>>>>>> be history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putin won't nuke the Ukraine because he views it as an integral 
>>>>>> part of
>>>>>> his empire and he wants it whole and intact.  Or as whole and 
>>>>>> intact as
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But surrounding areas, he doesn't care about except in that they 
>>>>>> provide
>>>>>> a zone of isolation around Russia... and Poland and Czechia can do 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> just fine whether or not they are habitable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now the question: is he stupid and crazy enough to do that in the 
>>>>>> face of
>>>>>> invariable retaliation?  That's the one I can't answer, and the 
>>>>>> more that
>>>>>> he isolates himself from the outside world the harder that gets to 
>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     If we had stood up to the Third Reich earlier
>>>>>>> the Germans might not have advised the Japanese that
>>>>>>> we were not fighters. Pacificistic Isolationists and
>>>>>>> anti-semites kept Roosevelt from helping Europe until
>>>>>>> we were attacked by Germany's Allies, the Axis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed.  On the whole, Chamberlain and Petain didn't go down very 
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> in history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Pacifistic intentions are fine until the invader
>>>>>>> is at your door. Then you better hope that you have
>>>>>>> learned from the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am very strongly against war in general.  But we have war:
>>>>>
>>>>> You started it back in 2014.
>>>>
>>>>      Wasn't that when Putin stole Crimea and the USA did not
>>>> raise much of a stink at this invasion of a sovereign state.
>>>
>>> That was the month following the US-backed Maidan coup.
>>
>>      Well I had to look that up and the following is a quote.,
>>> The Maidan Revolution, also known as the Revolution of Dignity, was a 
>>> series of protests in Ukraine from late 2013 to early 2014 that led 
>>> to the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych. It was sparked by his 
>>> decision to reject a trade agreement with the European Union in favor 
>>> of closer ties with Russia, resulting in violent clashes and 
>>> significant political change in Ukraine.
>>
>>      So people acting within their own nation regarding their own
>> government is "starting a war"?
> 
> The Maidan coup was instigated by the US government. It was NOT people
> acting organically within their own nation. The new regime then set
> about trying to exterminate all Russians and Russian speakers within
> the Ukraine.

	I doubt your words very much. Until Putin invaded, the USA
offered intelligence about to the Ukrainian goverment which they
doubted. If the Revolution of Dignity had been USA inspired don't
you think that the intelligence would be accepted at face value?

	You sound like one who is either in the pay of Moscow
or one severly misinformed or disinformted by the media you
are accessing. You are supported by this article of which I
do not trust the source.
<https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/four-years-of-ukraine-and-the-myths-of-maidan/>

	But this article refutes your nonsensical ideas.
<https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/08/04/ukraine-maidan-revolution-russia-coup-myth-yanukovych/>

	While extreme right wing aka Fascistic element may have
participated in the events they got a new President who had some
guts and who was willing to assert the independence of the
Ukraine from Russia. The USA and NATO nations have supplied
weapons to the Ukrainians.
	Putin had been misinformed by his intelligence agents in
the Ukraine as to the mood of the people and the government.
He expected a very short campaign and so far his expectations
have been defeated. May it always be so with tyrants.

	bliss - hobbling to surgery tomorrow