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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 12:19:38 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 59 Message-ID: <vmvsre$26sul$1@dont-email.me> References: <pLY2g2cfZDGOOQgmeYWzTah-WZA@jntp> <vmivft$28k2a$1@dont-email.me> <P34uo7fZOF85O-SfjYojnrCRX_8@jntp> <vmm7t2$3cgdv$1@dont-email.me> <BJ6Q9nUU0bo9Nwlif25X1jQzfd8@jntp> <vmob71$54vk$1@dont-email.me> <IFzu48FyPqxIuz1SjqxEczJXtvA@jntp> <vmrmts$175ja$1@dont-email.me> <QmDaLWOKhQFsAUIZ6cUSH4qtPMc@jntp> <vmua4i$1q2gu$2@dont-email.me> <hXWH1I_ij_TOJ-KwMa7Rubl81zo@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 12:17:02 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c643e7506b6143cf1c9cb511d64e76d7"; logging-data="2323413"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Pzu2R8hv1PU51foYJJM/W" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:HSLnmHC4DA4cK11qvPYgCUYkWKQ= In-Reply-To: <hXWH1I_ij_TOJ-KwMa7Rubl81zo@jntp> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2911 Den 23.01.2025 23:59, skrev Richard Hachel: > Le 23/01/2025 à 21:51, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit : >> Den 23.01.2025 09:22, skrev Richard Hachel: >>> >>> There is a flaw in your way of understanding the ratio of observable >>> time (terrestrial) and proper time (rockets in general). >> >> In physics, proper time is what clocks show. >> The only way to observe time is to read it off a clock. >> So "observed time" and "proper time" are the same. >> >> >> https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf >> >> See: 1.1 "What is proper time?" > > It's more complicated than that, breathe, blow... Are you inflating your rubber duck? > > Observable time is an abstract entity that, in fact, no one really > measures. So "observable time" is not observable, and isn't the time observed on a clock. Stands to reason, doesn't it? :-D > > It is based on the chronotropy of watches, that is to say the speed at > which their internal mechanism evolves in relation to another watch. So "the internal mechanism" make the abstract entity "observable time", that, in fact, no one really can observe, show something in relation to another watch. How can "the internal mechanism" know which watch is the "another watch"? How can "the internal mechanism" know the reading of the "another watch"? How can "the internal mechanism" know the speed of the "another watch"? ------------------ It isn't really funny. So why am I amused? :-D <snip more nonsense> -- Paul https://paulba.no/