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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Klaus Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: dc/dc soft start Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 13:09:16 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 358 Message-ID: <vmvvtc$27fpt$1@dont-email.me> References: <68jgoj19uftkgmca256csukjmnc7vblc7q@4ax.com> <vmme1h$3ee3s$1@dont-email.me> <cdptojp2lpct0rrmnamkosgtf64c2685a7@4ax.com> <vmrp0v$17iv1$1@dont-email.me> <l0v2pjt6h9ffipfb78kea7qpkpb026if0r@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 13:09:17 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="69e7d44c68335725586b3ba4e9da0999"; logging-data="2342717"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Oy/CCsg4y1kQAAzqc/eyIZDS8mUiVwnQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:T+cdMI/h6gpIli/L6a6LkSA9BKM= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <l0v2pjt6h9ffipfb78kea7qpkpb026if0r@4ax.com> Bytes: 12630 On 23-01-2025 00:25, john larkin wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 22:47:10 +0100, Klaus Kragelund > <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On 21-01-2025 01:18, john larkin wrote: >>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:09:05 +0100, Klaus Kragelund >>> <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 16-01-2025 01:12, john larkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Here's my soft start circuit. Thanks for suggestions from Tilmann and >>>>> Jeroen. >>>>> >>>>> The idea is to drive the ends of the transformer with in-phase square >>>>> waves and then slowly walk them to 180 degrees, to achieve a soft >>>>> start. An FPGA can do that easily. We might take a second... but that >>>>> would simulate forever. >>>>> >>>>> What works well is to use two spice "modulator" elements and FM the >>>>> frequency of one of them for 50 ms, until they are 180 degrees out of >>>>> phase. >>>>> >>>>> Spice BV elements with sin(time*freq) type expressions seemed to >>>>> overload or something. >>>>> >>>>> Version 4 >>>>> SHEET 1 2568 1220 >>>>> WIRE -512 -944 -576 -944 >>>>> WIRE -400 -944 -512 -944 >>>>> WIRE 16 -944 -32 -944 >>>>> WIRE 48 -944 16 -944 >>>>> WIRE 256 -944 192 -944 >>>>> WIRE 304 -944 256 -944 >>>>> WIRE -1104 -912 -1136 -912 >>>>> WIRE -1040 -912 -1104 -912 >>>>> WIRE -400 -912 -400 -944 >>>>> WIRE -32 -912 -32 -944 >>>>> WIRE 192 -912 192 -944 >>>>> WIRE -128 -896 -144 -896 >>>>> WIRE -80 -896 -128 -896 >>>>> WIRE -848 -880 -896 -880 >>>>> WIRE -800 -880 -848 -880 >>>>> WIRE -128 -848 -144 -848 >>>>> WIRE -80 -848 -128 -848 >>>>> WIRE -576 -816 -576 -944 >>>>> WIRE -784 -800 -848 -800 >>>>> WIRE -720 -800 -784 -800 >>>>> WIRE -624 -800 -720 -800 >>>>> WIRE -400 -800 -400 -832 >>>>> WIRE -32 -800 -32 -832 >>>>> WIRE 192 -800 192 -832 >>>>> WIRE -848 -768 -848 -800 >>>>> WIRE -624 -752 -656 -752 >>>>> WIRE -576 -688 -576 -736 >>>>> WIRE -448 -688 -576 -688 >>>>> WIRE -368 -688 -448 -688 >>>>> WIRE -208 -688 -304 -688 >>>>> WIRE 160 -688 -32 -688 >>>>> WIRE 208 -688 160 -688 >>>>> WIRE 416 -688 272 -688 >>>>> WIRE 480 -688 416 -688 >>>>> WIRE 544 -688 480 -688 >>>>> WIRE 656 -688 544 -688 >>>>> WIRE -848 -656 -848 -688 >>>>> WIRE -576 -640 -576 -688 >>>>> WIRE -656 -624 -656 -752 >>>>> WIRE -624 -624 -656 -624 >>>>> WIRE -720 -576 -720 -800 >>>>> WIRE -624 -576 -720 -576 >>>>> WIRE 208 -576 112 -576 >>>>> WIRE 416 -576 416 -688 >>>>> WIRE 416 -576 272 -576 >>>>> WIRE -1024 -560 -1104 -560 >>>>> WIRE -880 -560 -944 -560 >>>>> WIRE -848 -560 -880 -560 >>>>> WIRE -1104 -544 -1104 -560 >>>>> WIRE -848 -544 -848 -560 >>>>> WIRE -656 -528 -656 -624 >>>>> WIRE -576 -528 -576 -560 >>>>> WIRE -208 -528 -208 -688 >>>>> WIRE -32 -528 -32 -688 >>>>> WIRE 416 -512 416 -576 >>>>> WIRE 544 -512 544 -688 >>>>> WIRE 656 -512 656 -688 >>>>> WIRE -1104 -448 -1104 -464 >>>>> WIRE -848 -448 -848 -480 >>>>> WIRE -528 -400 -576 -400 >>>>> WIRE -480 -400 -528 -400 >>>>> WIRE -576 -368 -576 -400 >>>>> WIRE 160 -368 160 -688 >>>>> WIRE 208 -368 160 -368 >>>>> WIRE 416 -368 416 -448 >>>>> WIRE 416 -368 272 -368 >>>>> WIRE -784 -352 -848 -352 >>>>> WIRE -720 -352 -784 -352 >>>>> WIRE -624 -352 -720 -352 >>>>> WIRE -848 -320 -848 -352 >>>>> WIRE -624 -304 -656 -304 >>>>> WIRE -576 -240 -576 -288 >>>>> WIRE -448 -240 -576 -240 >>>>> WIRE -368 -240 -448 -240 >>>>> WIRE -208 -240 -208 -448 >>>>> WIRE -208 -240 -304 -240 >>>>> WIRE -32 -240 -32 -448 >>>>> WIRE 112 -240 112 -576 >>>>> WIRE 112 -240 -32 -240 >>>>> WIRE 208 -240 112 -240 >>>>> WIRE 416 -240 416 -368 >>>>> WIRE 416 -240 272 -240 >>>>> WIRE 544 -240 544 -432 >>>>> WIRE 544 -240 416 -240 >>>>> WIRE 656 -240 656 -432 >>>>> WIRE 656 -240 544 -240 >>>>> WIRE -848 -208 -848 -240 >>>>> WIRE -576 -192 -576 -240 >>>>> WIRE 416 -192 416 -240 >>>>> WIRE -656 -176 -656 -304 >>>>> WIRE -624 -176 -656 -176 >>>>> WIRE -1072 -160 -1152 -160 >>>>> WIRE -880 -128 -928 -128 >>>>> WIRE -848 -128 -880 -128 >>>>> WIRE -720 -128 -720 -352 >>>>> WIRE -624 -128 -720 -128 >>>>> WIRE -1152 -112 -1152 -160 >>>>> WIRE -656 -80 -656 -176 >>>>> WIRE -576 -80 -576 -112 >>>>> FLAG -400 -800 0 >>>>> FLAG -512 -944 +48 >>>>> FLAG -32 -800 0 >>>>> FLAG -128 -896 HA >>>>> FLAG -128 -848 HB >>>>> FLAG 16 -944 BRO >>>>> FLAG -448 -688 HA >>>>> FLAG -448 -240 HB >>>>> FLAG -576 -528 0 >>>>> FLAG -656 -528 0 >>>>> FLAG -576 -80 0 >>>>> FLAG -528 -400 +48 >>>>> FLAG -656 -80 0 >>>>> FLAG 416 -192 0 >>>>> FLAG 480 -688 OUT >>>>> FLAG -784 -800 A >>>>> FLAG 256 -944 SS >>>>> FLAG 192 -800 0 >>>>> FLAG -1104 -912 SS >>>>> FLAG -1152 -112 0 >>>>> FLAG -784 -352 B >>>>> FLAG -1104 -448 0 >>>>> FLAG -880 -560 AB >>>>> FLAG -848 -448 0 >>>>> FLAG -848 -208 0 >>>>> FLAG -880 -128 K >>>>> FLAG -848 -656 0 >>>>> FLAG -848 -880 J >>>>> SYMBOL voltage -400 -928 R0 >>>>> WINDOW 0 53 46 Left 2 >>>>> WINDOW 3 53 78 Left 2 >>>>> SYMATTR InstName V3 >>>>> SYMATTR Value 48 >>>>> SYMBOL e -32 -928 R0 >>>>> WINDOW 0 45 50 Left 2 >>>>> WINDOW 3 49 78 Left 2 >>>>> SYMATTR InstName E5 >>>>> SYMATTR Value 1 >>>>> SYMBOL sw -576 -720 M180 >>>>> WINDOW 0 58 74 Left 2 >>>>> WINDOW 3 61 47 Left 2 >>>>> SYMATTR InstName S2 >>>>> SYMATTR Value Sj >>>>> SYMBOL sw -576 -544 M180 >>>>> WINDOW 0 58 74 Left 2 >>>>> WINDOW 3 61 47 Left 2 >>>>> SYMATTR InstName S3 >>>>> SYMATTR Value Sj >>>>> SYMBOL sw -576 -272 M180 >>>>> WINDOW 0 58 74 Left 2 >>>>> WINDOW 3 61 47 Left 2 ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========