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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Sinewave oscillator without gain control. Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 14:14:36 -0500 Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <vn0oqu$nsg$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> References: <vmum11$n7g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <jei7pjt2pc35osipchs2891gqtavk25a7k@4ax.com> <vn0nco$1l9o$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> Injection-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 19:14:38 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com; logging-data="24464"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blueworldhosting.com" Cancel-Lock: sha1:qx883nZDXzd50jdTA4MTVNi+ksg= sha256:CzTvfptyg6lhVDO2gfN0K5/QpMRkMLaifwJUXtJwZzs= sha1:hf7sthiFkon1m8YgPwblTKui05I= sha256:pJXHFylmVBzgfi1Lx/EEzklz89uEq5WOJANqoe1g4tU= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Bytes: 3314 "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:vn0nco$1l9o$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com... > "john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:jei7pjt2pc35osipchs2891gqtavk25a7k@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 19:14:24 -0500, "Edward Rawde" >> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>Before you can make a 1kHz sinewave oscillator with constant output level and better than 120dB harmonic distortion you'll need >>>an >>>oscillator which does better than that when it passes through the required output level. >>>The circuit below was simulated in LTSpice 24.1.0 with all updates. >>>There are reasons why I'm not sure I'd trust version 17.x of LTSpice to give the most accurate results but I haven't tested this >>>circuit in any other version. >>>After starting the simulation, wait until it has simulated about 7 seconds and then stop the simulation. Close the annoying log >>>window which 24.1.0 will produce. >>>You can now select a sample of about 100ms when it passes through 0dB (just under 2V) and run an FFT on it with Blackman-Harris >>>window. >>>This will show that this circuit is approaching 120dB down on harmonics. >>>So if you want to do better than that then you'll need an oscillator circuit which has better performance to begin with. You can >>>then add gain control for constant level. >>>I've not so far found an oscillator circuit in LTSpice with better harmonic distortion performance than this one. >>>You can, of course, try to use filtering to reduce the unwanted harmonics. Removing the first four harmonics produced by this >>>circuit will get it approaching 130dB but don't ask me how that would be measured in reality or what it would cost to do so even >>>if >>>it can be measured. >> >> Open LT Spice and make a 1 KHz sinewave voltage source. Run for 10 >> seconds and FFT. The 3rd harmonic is down 48 dB. >> >> So Spicing low distortion oscillators might not be an exercize in >> reality. >> > > The following circuit was simulated in LTSpice 24.1.0 ...