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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Most significant advance in bike technology for speed? Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 21:54:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <vn1joj$2gutd$2@dont-email.me> References: <vn0pv2$2cdge$1@dont-email.me> <3l98pj1sdf0rg51lv03l2vgf36guvquj4s@4ax.com> Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2025 03:54:12 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b1944e250ada354bf4f2b1047763fb88"; logging-data="2653101"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/vcrcsppA35WDSgb5pBpJgUAgyu2f4K64=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:5G/mlFxqTIIsLKkfiO8zIT+5OzI= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <3l98pj1sdf0rg51lv03l2vgf36guvquj4s@4ax.com> Bytes: 3565 On 1/24/2025 6:48 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 14:33:53 -0500, Frank Krygowski > <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> In another forum, someone postulated that integrated brake & shift >> levers (like STI) were the most significant bit of racing technology >> ever designed for increasing speed. But that claim met with little >> respect. One skeptic noted that there was no great increase in average >> race speeds in Paris-Roubaix, Milan-San Remo, Tour of Flanders, >> Leige-Bastogne-Leige or Giro de Lobardia since about 1960, including >> during the era of STI adoption. By contrast, in the years 1930 - 1960 >> average speeds increased around 30%. (Note: That does not mean that STI >> is not tactically beneficial. That's a separate issue.) >> >> But if not STI, what were the most significant tech developments >> regarding bicycle race speeds? >> >> Here’s my list: >> >> Pedals & cranks, as opposed to scooting a “hobby horse” via feet on the >> ground. >> >> Tubular metal frames and wire tension (spoke) wheels. >> >> Large driven wheels, to give a much higher effective “gear.” (The >> Ordinary or Penny Farthing) >> >> The “Safety Bicycle” with a diamond frame and chain drive, getting the >> rider down lower, to greatly reduce aero drag as well as pitchover on >> braking. >> >> Pneumatic tires. Hard tired “safeties” had terrible rolling resistance. >> >> The handlebar stem, invented by the heroic Major Taylor, to allow a much >> more aero riding position. >> >> Rim brakes, by whatever mechanism, as opposed to spoon brakes acting on >> a tire. >> >> Multiple gears, by whatever mechanism. >> >> The derailleur, making multiple gears easy to shift, customizable and >> light weight. >> >> Recumbent geometry in some situations. Recumbents seem to be slower >> uphill, but tend to be faster on level or downhills >> >> Fully enclosed streamlined aero shells tremendously increased speed, but >> at a great reduction in versatility and practicality. >> >> Beyond those, ISTM that most developments have been chasing ever >> diminishing returns. > > > ..and yet people buy them and use them. What's your problem with that? Good grief! It's a discussion of bike technology! I'm not saying I have a problem with anything! You're an angry, bitter man with an obsession. You should seek help. -- - Frank Krygowski