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From: Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Most significant advance in bike technology for speed?
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:41:52 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 06:21:08 -0500, zen cycle wrote:

>> On 1/25/2025 1:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>> On Fri Jan 24 18:00:57 2025 Zen Cycle  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to take issue with this claim. The speeds have been showing
>>>> a steady increase. "Great" increase is somewhat subjective, and
>>>> taking into account the general "square-law effect" with going faster
>>>> on a bicycle, a increase of 1MPH from 28 to 29 MPH could indeed be
>>>> considered a "great" increase over going from 25 to 26 MPH.
>>>>
>>>> Granted, this has little to do with integrated shifting, my nit is
>>>> over the claim "there was no great increase in average race
>>>> speeds....since about 1960"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> from wikipedia, the top ten fastest editions of PAris-Roubaix were:
>>>>
>>>>    Mathieu van der Poel (NED)    47.80 km/h (29.70 mph)     2024
>>>>    Mathieu van der Poel (NED)    46.84 km/h (29.11 mph)     2023
>>>>    Dylan van Baarle (NED)        45.79 km/h (28.45 mph)     2022
>>>>    Greg Van Avermaet (BEL)    45.20 km/h (28.09 mph)     2017 Peter
>>>>    Post (NED)        45.13 km/h (28.04 mph)     1964 Fabian
>>>>    Cancellara (SUI)    44.19 km/h (27.46 mph)     2013 Rik Van
>>>>    Steenbergen (BEL)    43.99 km/h (27.33 mph)     1948 Mathew
>>>>    Hayman (AUS)        43.91 km/h (27.28 mph)     2016 Peter Sagan
>>>>    (SVK)        43.55 km/h (27.06 mph)     2018 Pino Cerami
>>>>    (BEL)        43.54 km/h (27.05 mph)     1960
>>>>
>>>> Out of the top ten in the 100+ year history of the race, 6 are within
>>>> the past ten years. I challenge anyone to argue against a 10%
>>>> increase since Sagan in 2018 to VDP in 2024 as anything but a "great"
>>>> increase.
>>>>
>>>> Milan/San Remo shows a similar trend. From
>>>> https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/milano-sanremo/results/fastest-
>>>> editions
>>>>    :
>>>>
>>>> Edition    Year    Avg. speed 115    2024    46.11 114    2023   
>>>> 45.773 113    2022    45.331 97    2006    45.268 112    2021   
>>>> 45.06 100    2009    44.421 98    2007    43.665 110    2019   
>>>> 43.625 104    2013    43.577 102    2011    43.486
>>>>
>>>> It certainly isn't due to drivetrain technology, I'll suggest the
>>>> trend towards wider tires has a great deal to do with it, but more so
>>>> training and diet technological advances.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Got that Frank, he takes issue with your comments despite the fact
>>> that these courses all change change a little from year to year, the
>>> speeds on the hardeat races despite being shorter than in the past are
>>> going down and not up.
> 
> the speeds of the hardest races are going down?
> 
> Paris roubaix Mathieu van der Poel   47.80 km/h (29.70 mph)     2024
> Mathieu van der Poel   46.84 km/h (29.11 mph)     2023 Dylan van Baarle 
>      45.79 km/h (28.45 mph)     2022
> 
> https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/paris-roubaix/results/fastest-
editions
> 
> https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/liege-bastogne-liege/results/
fastest-editions
> 
> https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/results/fastest-
editions
> 
> https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/giro-d-italia/results/fastest-
editions
> 
> Must be more of that "tommy math"
> 
> 
> 
>>> While I don't agree with your use of flat rides that are all in high
>>> gear and things like STI are unlikely to have effect, Flunky's
>>> comments at least are rediculous.
> 
> Sure sparky, show a reference to an overall trend which shows that race
> speeds are going down.

Either that or you don't know that they were on different courses. Does 
this really have to be explained to you?