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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: (Realized World) Knight Moves by Walter Jon Williams Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:36:25 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <vng69p$30b8o$1@dont-email.me> References: <vnao0u$i2f$1@reader2.panix.com> <vncbho$27mr3$1@dont-email.me> <68nkpjp0mqucbhhq3re3769sn6777blnsd@4ax.com> <slrnvpl321.28sp.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:36:26 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dc21a67e1126770e9a60ad79377f1c23"; logging-data="3157272"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/5n8Wc+W+DOcyrHHm8mcWxk5prrRZ3gfc=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:uCZvhGw2UAKnMkH7gI7fEtcfDBs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <slrnvpl321.28sp.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> Bytes: 2750 On 1/29/2025 3:14 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2025-01-29, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote: > >>>> Knight Moves by Walter Jon Williams >> >> On Amazon (USA) I too see a large number of books with that title, >> many of them parts of different series, some of which may not be SF. > > This opportunity is as good as any to ask a question I've had at > the back of my head for some time: > > There are many works of pop culture (movies, books as you note) > that have titles along the lines of "Knight Moves" and "Night Moves". > I assume one of those is a pun on the other, but which one? What's > the underlying original expression? > > Yes, I know chess and how a knight moves, but that doesn't seem > very relevant. I don't think this is a case of imitation/satire, but rather coincidence. 'knight' and 'night' have quite different derivations, and perfectly valid meanings on their own, without referencing the other. My goto memory linked to 'Night Moves' is Bob Seger's 1976 song of that name, though usage for the term started spiking around 1970. Crossover confusion can get interesting. In my younger, more innocent days, I thought the Moody Blues 1967 song was titled 'Knights in White Satin', and imagined knights in armor galloping across fields with pure white surcoats. Apparently, I wasn't the only one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_in_White_Satin Turns out, Justin Hayward (who wrote the song at only 19), was gifted a set of white satin sheets by his girlfriend. pt